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Title: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on November 27, 2013, 03:16:54 AM
http://www.geeksphone.com/revolution
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: VincentVdh on November 27, 2013, 03:57:20 AM
Haters gonna hate, but I say: thank you Geeksphone
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Wad on November 27, 2013, 04:26:40 AM
Patience is a virtue that Geeksphone wants to cultivate. :D
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: caprican on November 27, 2013, 04:30:31 AM
What is this ? A new phone ?

Can I have it instead of the Peak+ that I waiting ?
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: takashio on November 27, 2013, 05:21:11 AM
More information(?) it seems:

http://forum.geeksphone.com/index.php?topic=5798.msg61670#new

4.8" screen sounds nice. I want battery life data for x86, however.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: macrodon on November 27, 2013, 05:58:15 AM
And what about the people that are waiting for four or more month for the Peak+?

Will they get it until end of november? Do they get anything for their money they payed month ago??

Some information  about it would be very very nice.

The last state of knowledge was that you are going to deliver it in 4 Days.....

Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on November 27, 2013, 06:16:13 AM
@ macrodon:
Please read the topics in the forum carefully (there are unfortunately a lot of them about this topic). They wrote that they work hard that we get our phones till end of november.

If there should have been more delays they would have informed us earlier - not 3 days before "JUDGEMENT DAY"  ::)

I also want the phone and I also want it now, but I think that we will get it in November ;)

Keep calm!  8)

No more delays, Geeksphone  ;)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: sembei on November 27, 2013, 06:34:50 AM
Look what is hidden on webpage
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: macrodon on November 27, 2013, 06:52:45 AM

I also want the phone and I also want it now, but I think that we will get it in November ;)

I would be realy happy about that, but the last post I read about it  was

Thanks to all for your words.

We are working hard to give a solution to all of you in this week.... ;)

everything I want is the promised Information about the Peak+, or just a confirmation for the deliverydate if it's going to be delivered in november.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Wad on November 27, 2013, 08:59:14 AM
[Quote from Geeksphone on Twitter]
Today we launch the REVOLUTION #GPREV (5h ago 27/11)
[/Quote from Geeksphone on Twitter]

I'm sorry but it seems that the revolution has been delayed  ;D ;D

Is a new Geeksphone coming out?
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on November 27, 2013, 01:11:16 PM
http://www.geeksphone.com/revolution

Seriously - you're teasing us about an Intel Geeksphone when you haven't shipped the Peak+ phones yet? When other vendors are shipping in quantity?
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on November 27, 2013, 10:30:53 PM
Nice to see Geeksphone is working on new interesting projects.
But it is a spanish company, and they say always: mañana ;)
Hope the peak+ will arrive soon, and will be a nice phone.

Geeksphone:
If you can build soon a new phone with intel chip, let people that wait for the peak+ have the option to get the phone with intel chip.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on November 27, 2013, 11:58:42 PM
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/smartphones/smartphones.html (http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/smartphones/smartphones.html)

I am curious  :)
The same symbol used by Intel for the processor is also in Geeksphone web site  8)
So let's see the intel powered smartphone  :)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ifadey on November 28, 2013, 01:04:01 AM
Maybe they will launch Intel's ARM based smartphone. Yes this is true. Intel recently announced they will start manufacturing ARM processors as well :)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on November 28, 2013, 01:28:03 AM
More information(?) it seems:

http://forum.geeksphone.com/index.php?topic=5798.msg61670#new

4.8" screen sounds nice. I want battery life data for x86, however.

I ignore the architecture of the arm vs the intel processors, but maybe in the intel powered phones there is just one core but with multithreading. This could improve the battery life,  respect a multicore arm one. 

If I take for example this document:  http://download.intel.com/newsroom/kits/ces/2013/pdfs/Intel_Atom_Processor_Z2420_ProductBrief.pdf (http://download.intel.com/newsroom/kits/ces/2013/pdfs/Intel_Atom_Processor_Z2420_ProductBrief.pdf)

I read that it has hardware accelerated HTML5. This is perfect for Firefox OS.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: chrisphl on November 28, 2013, 01:53:31 AM
@Geeksphone: Better than let us read the specs of the Revolution from the crystal ball, you should give some more information about the upcoming hardware. Especially for those who placed an order of a Peak+ and you are offering to exchange the order into GP Revolution.
Thanks in advance for more information!
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: takashio on November 28, 2013, 01:59:37 AM
The cancelation mail also hints at the final price of the device - almost twice the price of the Peak+, so in the 350 - 400 price target.

For Peak+ preorders (that won't have to pay an extra dime for it), this seems like quite an worthy compensation.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on November 28, 2013, 02:01:24 AM
It is a very convenient exchange. Reading on intel website, I start to be excited of the possibilities. Always a step ahead. Well done  ;D
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: plop on November 28, 2013, 02:10:53 AM
@Geeksphone: Better than let us read the specs of the Revolution from the crystal ball, you should give some more information about the upcoming hardware. Especially for those who placed an order of a Peak+ and you are offering to exchange the order into GP Revolution.
Thanks in advance for more information!

+10
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: macrodon on November 28, 2013, 02:34:55 AM
Thanks for the status update of the peak+.
 
I would be really intrested about getting the new phone instead of the peak+,
but can you tell us round about when it will be availiable?

In 2 month or half a year?

I know that you can't promise anything now, and that you don't have a release date yet,
but could you specify the "soon" a little more?
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on November 28, 2013, 04:48:24 AM
Thanks for the status update of the peak+.
 
I would be really intrested about getting the new phone instead of the peak+,
but can you tell us round about when it will be availiable?

In 2 month or half a year?

I know that you can't promise anything now, and that you don't have a release date yet,
but could you specify the "soon" a little more?

Really close to 2 months, but we need to be really prudent.... ;)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Wad on November 28, 2013, 05:05:03 AM
Really close to 2 months, but we need to be really prudent.... ;)

So, if we want the new phone, we have to wait 2 other months (not more I hope)? Why not but can we get more information about the specs of the phone?
It could be useful for pre-order people who want to make a choice.  :)
For my part, it will depend on my current phone which is slowly but surely going down.  :(
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on November 28, 2013, 05:17:19 AM
I`m very dissapointed at the moment :(
but there will be a few things to make me happy very easily, for example a foto and more specs about the "revolution" and the best would be I/ we get the information in the next few hours ;)
I think this is possible for you geeksphone, isn´t it?
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on November 28, 2013, 05:53:52 AM
You need to understand that we are working with a complicate supply chain, for that reason we need to be really carefully.

I give you an example: we are working to have 2GB RAM, but we need double (triple) check from the memory factory.

We are now in MP (Mass production) - 8 weeks, but not all components are confirmed yet..... ;)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on November 28, 2013, 06:30:45 AM
at last we have some informations :)
instead of give them one by one, why not create a real post where you give the specs of the phone (intel x86, 2Go RAM for the moment), the price, the release date (2 months ?), where you are actually in the project (MP lanched ?), what you need before send the new phone...

it would be VERY kind of you to give us a sort of roadmap for the revolution that you update daily or weekly to tell us how the project is.

I think, you ought it to us, and you need it to regain our trust.
You create open phones, why not create it openly? (well... with a known development)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: chrisphl on November 28, 2013, 06:59:25 AM
I think, you ought it to us, and you need it to regain our trust.
That's it! As I said (http://forum.geeksphone.com/index.php?topic=5779.msg61697#msg61697).
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on November 28, 2013, 07:22:46 AM
@ xinouch: A nice and client-friendly proposal  :)

I think, you ought it to us, and you need it to regain our trust.
You create open phones, why not create it openly? (well... with a known development)

That's exactly my opinion!
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on November 28, 2013, 07:26:45 AM
@ xinouch: A nice and client-friendly proposal  :)

I think, you ought it to us, and you need it to regain our trust.
You create open phones, why not create it openly? (well... with a known development)

That's exactly my opinion!

Ok, good points. We want to organize and weekly updated roadmap, about Revolution here in Geekphoners... ;)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on November 28, 2013, 07:48:00 AM
That sounds great :)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on November 28, 2013, 07:54:54 AM
Ok, good points. We want to organize and weekly updated roadmap, about Revolution here in Geekphoners... ;)

I'm *really* glad to hear that ;)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on November 28, 2013, 08:39:54 AM
You need to understand that we are working with a complicate supply chain, for that reason we need to be really carefully.

I give you an example: we are working to have 2GB RAM, but we need double (triple) check from the memory factory.

We are now in MP (Mass production) - 8 weeks, but not all components are confirmed yet..... ;)

Wow very big step from the peak+.
Good luck with the launch  :)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on November 28, 2013, 09:04:25 AM
Same with me :-) if the news will continue week by week, it's something! good luck geeksphone
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on November 28, 2013, 11:37:44 AM
@ xinouch: A nice and client-friendly proposal  :)

I think, you ought it to us, and you need it to regain our trust.
You create open phones, why not create it openly? (well... with a known development)

That's exactly my opinion!

Ok, good points. We want to organize and weekly updated roadmap, about Revolution here in Geekphoners... ;)

An interesting information would be if it will have the support for 4G LTE networks. Here in Switzerland we have good phone subscriptions for the fast 4G. I could drop the fixed connection for a fully mobile one if this phone will have this support.

Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Wad on November 28, 2013, 12:16:42 PM
Ok, good points. We want to organize and weekly updated roadmap, about Revolution here in Geekphoners... ;)
I'm glad to see this, at least, we will be able to see the evolution of this new phone  :D
As I take care of my privacy and as I want to trust Geeksphone, I will give it another try  :)
So I'm taking the 3rd solution and I will wait.
But I hope that I will get a good firefox os phone at the end.

Good luck with the revolution ;)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: chrisphl on November 28, 2013, 12:29:02 PM
You need to understand that we are working with a complicate supply chain, for that reason we need to be really carefully.

I give you an example: we are working to have 2GB RAM, but we need double (triple) check from the memory factory.

We are now in MP (Mass production) - 8 weeks, but not all components are confirmed yet..... ;)
So you are in mass production but not able to say anything about the phone? WTF?! Nobody treats you to make any promises here but everybody wants to "feel" the good work. At the moment one can see that you keep back information you just have to have... This makes me think about refund my money from Peak+ order, just to keep it save in case your young, shiny smart company crashes... :-|
What I (your customer who paid the due) expect is detailed information:
With every little piece of information you could regain trust... (I'm repeating myself).
And last but not least: Update all your customers about every(!) change in plan you have!

[Edit]:
I missed to say that, sorry: I _really_ would like to trust in your good work, Geeksphoners, so please, please help me, make it as easy as possible to me. Thank you so much!
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on November 28, 2013, 01:16:11 PM
geeksphoners, as you can see, Germans are hard to handle xD they want to know so much information related to our posts :-D

seriously, if you really want us "unlucky peak+ clients" to support the geeksphone  revolution, you should be careful with details and dates about the new phone. you have to understand our anger and our sarcasm: we invested money, we waited, we waited again and then we were disappointed with the cancel of that wonderful project.

to get back our trust in your company & your products you really should give us details about the new phone when you are sure that you can keep your promises ;-)

take your time and when you have all necessary components for the new phone THEN publish it detailed to us, your community.

I want to believe in your work - but it only works this way :) if you work like this, the community will trust you again (step by step) and help you by supporting the new ecosystem

I'm looking forward for new hardware details about the REVOLUTION ^^

If the new phone is not designed yet, I would have a suggestion for the new phone :)

I hope that the new firefox os phone will be a massive phone - not like the "plastic bomber"galaxy phones from Samsung, but that's just my opinion ;)

Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: chrisphl on November 28, 2013, 01:32:16 PM
Just to be a bit more concrete:
[...]when you have all necessary components for the new phone THEN publish it detailed to us, your community.[...]
Nope, not that way in my opinion. Open up your plan, share it with us, please! I want to know which hardware you plan to build in but even OK, if you say 'we do not' while giving a clear reason for that.

Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on November 28, 2013, 01:40:01 PM
Nope, not that way in my opinion. Open up your plan, share it with us, please! I want to know which hardware you plan to build in but even OK, if you say 'we do not' while giving a clear reason for that.

+1 that was what I said in my previous post: a weekly updated roadmap, so we can see where the development is, why it changes or not, and *estimate our delivery date*
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on November 28, 2013, 01:52:05 PM
We have a just create a tumbl account to blogging the Revolution Roadmap.

geeksphone.tumblr.com
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: cfenzo on November 28, 2013, 01:55:47 PM
Excellent, Rodrigo :)

Let's hope you guys keep it up to date with informative updates,
so I won't regret going for option 3: exchange for the revolution ;)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: caprican on November 28, 2013, 02:42:33 PM
Ok but we need to know about the specs
and why dual boot Android/Firefox OS ? I'm only interested by Firefox OS
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on November 28, 2013, 02:44:00 PM
edit: ok, grilled by caprican :D

Well... I don't see it anywhere in this topic, so:
it seems that the revolution will be shipped with Firefox OS AND Android in a dual boot.
see : http://circuloti.sharedby.co/5XpPnl

That could explain the price (nearly the same as a nexus 5). because, personally, I wouldn't by a phone 300 € with firefox OS on it (it is clearly less mature than android kitkat).

I think it's a pity, because a free phone is not compatible with android. NO WAY. And that doesn't fit with geeksphone actual policy : "our main battle is the protection of privacy" (it's what this tweet means https://twitter.com/geeksphone/status/405785210798624768 ).

well... maybe I'm wrong. what do you think about that?
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on November 28, 2013, 08:01:56 PM
I've got a ZTE Open (US eBay version, second lot) which I got on September 18. I ordered a Peak+ on the same day, and I've opted to wait for the Revolution. In the meantime, I've managed to operationalize Mozilla's build and flash processes and I'm running Boot to Gecko 1.3 preview on the ZTE Open. It took me a week or so to get all the glitches out, though. See https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox_OS/Firefox_OS_build_prerequisites for starters.

The questions I have for Geeksphone are:
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: haribo on November 29, 2013, 12:31:20 AM
Oh wait here!
If the revolution is to offer dual boot, I dont understand. I'm a B2G user and I don't care about android. And I think the overway is (almost) true.

Also a phone is not a device that you reboot at will. I consider a phone like a 24/24 connected device.

I think the dual boot is (huge) error.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: chrisphl on November 29, 2013, 12:58:39 AM
Why are you discussing some features that may be but also may _not_ be included in GP Revolution? In fact we know nothing about it.
In my opinion it's a shame, Geeksphone! There are questions over questions about the specs above in this thread. You should answer them all immediately! But all you did until now is to ignore any question. Instead you are posting an image of a battery cover that could in fact be a piece of plastic from everywhere over the world. If you are working on mass production there must be blue prints, mock-ups, anything like that. Post them, print them  today, please!

If there's nothing like that, something which will convince me that I can trust you, today, Friday, 29th of November, I will cancel my order the same day. Sorry Geeksphone, I'm at the end of my tether.  :'(
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: luis.cuervo on November 29, 2013, 01:03:20 AM
A device that could run two operating systems is not the same that a device that could dual boot... just my two cents
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on November 29, 2013, 01:19:09 AM
A device that could run two operating systems is not the same that a device that could dual boot... just my two cents

So the Revolution will be delivered in two versions: one with android and one with firefox os  :)

I think that should be OK for all of us (as we prefer Firefox OS)  ;)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Forza21 on November 29, 2013, 01:21:39 AM
Why are you discussing some features that may be but also may _not_ be included in GP Revolution? In fact we know nothing about it.
In my opinion it's a shame, Geeksphone! There are questions over questions about the specs above in this thread. You should answer them all immediately! But all you did until now is to ignore any question. Instead you are posting an image of a battery cover that could in fact be a piece of plastic from everywhere over the world. If you are working on mass production there must be blue prints, mock-ups, anything like that. Post them, print them  today, please!

If there's nothing like that, something which will convince me that I can trust you, today, Friday, 29th of November, I will cancel my order the same day. Sorry Geeksphone, I'm at the end of my tether.  :'(
We know nothing about Geeksphone Revolution and Geeksphone want us to trust them being patient, but we don't have almost any information/specs and we have to choose between Peak, refund and Revolution.

If I don't have information about Revolution, I will ask for the refund too. It is all about dissapointment.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on November 29, 2013, 01:37:18 AM
If I don't have information about Revolution, I will ask for the refund too. It is all about dissapointment.

The same with me, but they promised that there will be some updates "soon" - so I am waiting first ;)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on November 29, 2013, 01:42:30 AM
The problem is: we don't know until when we have to decide. I asked by mail (among lots of other questions), but I didn't get any answers for the moment.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: haribo on November 29, 2013, 01:57:29 AM
A device that could run two operating systems is not the same that a device that could dual boot... just my two cents

With so little information....., I assumed that the phone had dual boot.

Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: luis.cuervo on November 29, 2013, 02:06:31 AM
A device that could run two operating systems is not the same that a device that could dual boot... just my two cents

With so little information....., I assumed that the phone had dual boot.

Yes, i suppose it, thats why i try to clear as much as i can. There is some info that i cannot share but i will try to clear the bad info that is out there.

So is a device with Android and FFOS officialy.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Wad on November 29, 2013, 02:08:02 AM
A device that could run two operating systems is not the same that a device that could dual boot... just my two cents
With so little information....., I assumed that the phone had dual boot.

The same and when I saw these news, I didn't know what to think.
http://gigaom.com/2013/11/28/want-android-and-firefox-os-in-one-phone-geeksphone-has-something-lined-up-for-you/ (http://gigaom.com/2013/11/28/want-android-and-firefox-os-in-one-phone-geeksphone-has-something-lined-up-for-you/)
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/geeksphone-announces-high-end-firefox-os-phone-with-android-too-1203533 (http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/geeksphone-announces-high-end-firefox-os-phone-with-android-too-1203533)

Yes, i suppose it, thats why i try to clear as much as i can. There is some info that i cannot share but i will try to clear the bad info that is out there.

So is a device with Android and FFOS officialy.
So the news up are correct?
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Forza21 on November 29, 2013, 02:16:35 AM
If I don't have information about Revolution, I will ask for the refund too. It is all about dissapointment.

The same with me, but they promised that there will be some updates "soon" - so I am waiting first ;)
I will wait too, but how much? We don't know that either. A week? A month?

We don't know what "soon" means. All the Peak+ stuff started with a "wait some days, we will give you more info", and we waited. But we cannot wait forever, and now we have to choose.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: luis.cuervo on November 29, 2013, 02:24:00 AM
A device that could run two operating systems is not the same that a device that could dual boot... just my two cents
With so little information....., I assumed that the phone had dual boot.

The same and when I saw these news, I didn't know what to think.
http://gigaom.com/2013/11/28/want-android-and-firefox-os-in-one-phone-geeksphone-has-something-lined-up-for-you/ (http://gigaom.com/2013/11/28/want-android-and-firefox-os-in-one-phone-geeksphone-has-something-lined-up-for-you/)
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/geeksphone-announces-high-end-firefox-os-phone-with-android-too-1203533 (http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/geeksphone-announces-high-end-firefox-os-phone-with-android-too-1203533)

Yes, i suppose it, thats why i try to clear as much as i can. There is some info that i cannot share but i will try to clear the bad info that is out there.

So is a device with Android and FFOS officialy.
So the news up are correct?


The second one doesnt said anything about dual boot
Quote
the hardware is capable of running either B2G/Firefox OS or Android.

The first one:
Quote
“The device can be ordered with Android operating system or Mozilla but also for advanced users can be installed a ROM on the Android to use Mozilla,” a spokeswoman told me today.

I really dont know if was a bad undestanding, but the bold text is incorrect, or at least not as clear as it should be.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Wad on November 29, 2013, 02:40:40 AM
The second one doesnt said anything about dual boot
Quote
the hardware is capable of running either B2G/Firefox OS or Android.

The first one:
Quote
“The device can be ordered with Android operating system or Mozilla but also for advanced users can be installed a ROM on the Android to use Mozilla,” a spokeswoman told me today.

I really dont know if was a bad undestanding, but the bold text is incorrect, or at least not as clear as it should be.

My bad for the second one, I misunderstand the article. (I'm french)
But the first one made me a little confused but if you say it's incorrect, it's clearer.

In fact, as I don't get other info, I can only search for more. ;)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on November 29, 2013, 02:47:07 AM
If I don't have information about Revolution, I will ask for the refund too. It is all about dissapointment.

The same with me, but they promised that there will be some updates "soon" - so I am waiting first ;)
I will wait too, but how much? We don't know that either. A week? A month?

We don't know what "soon" means. All the Peak+ stuff started with a "wait some days, we will give you more info", and we waited. But we cannot wait forever, and now we have to choose.

Let's give Geeksphone another week (6th of December) for news and updates about the new phone - after this period of time I will decide whether the revolution is the right phone for me or not.

i understand that everybody in here is angry and that's the reason why most of us want to have news about the new phone as soon as possible. In fact, we have to be fair to Geeksphone and give them a little time.
I understand also, that Geeksphone Admins are not allowed to publish EVERY detail like prices. ::)

Everybody who is not satisfied with Geeksphone's news management is free to get back his money anytime  :)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: chrisphl on November 29, 2013, 03:06:29 AM
In fact, we have to be fair to Geeksphone and give them a little time.
I understand also, that Geeksphone Admins are not allowed to publish EVERY detail like prices. ::)
We have to be fair to Geeksphone? Of course and GP has to be fair to their customers that gave them credit. It should be a win-win situation but it isn't. It's unilateral! (..and not that direction I feel a company-customer-relation should be.)
And as I repeat myself ones more: I don't want them to publish any ultimate information. No matter when they say sorry for not building in 1GB RAM (just an example!) in spite of having planned for 2GB RAM. ATM there should be no problem giving facts what is planned so far.
@Geeksphone: You should also point Javier Agüera to this thread immediately! Does he know what's going on here at the front?

Everybody who is not satisfied with Geeksphone's news management is free to get back his money anytime  :)
One may hope that there's enough money left to pay back when they all come and wish to refund their order.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on November 29, 2013, 03:12:02 AM
My bad for the second one, I misunderstand the article. (I'm french)
another french!!! hi! :D

@Geeksphone: You should also point Javier Agüera to this thread immediately! Does he know what's going on here at the front?

+1
a word from the CEO could help :)

about the informations, there is the tumblr roadmap. Hope it will be fill soon.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Wad on November 29, 2013, 03:17:23 AM
One may hope that there's enough money left to pay back when they all come and wish to refund their order.

I'm quite sure that they have enough money to both refund all of us (if necessary) and to start new projects.
You don't start a company with no money (but I may be wrong) ;)

@Bada3.0, I agree with you, to wait and see next week what we got.

another french!!! hi! :D

The same ^^ It's cool to see other french people over here.

Other things, I sent an email to get Revolution instead of Peak+ but I don't get any answer back so I'm asking myself if my email had been taken in account. How is it possible to know this?
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: jartometienen on November 29, 2013, 03:30:53 AM

+1
a word from the CEO could help :)

about the informations, there is the tumblr roadmap. Hope it will be fill soon.


Rodrigo is the other Geeksphone's co-founder. He is answering some questions in this thread.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on November 29, 2013, 03:38:14 AM
my bad, I haven't studied the geeksphone's organization chart  :-[

@wad: I've sent a mail to get some more informations and I didn't receive any answers neither. we have to wait I think.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: chrisphl on November 29, 2013, 03:55:05 AM
He is answering some questions in this thread.
Oops, did I miss something? Could you please point me to his posting(s) where he does answer any of the questions about the hardware specs of the GP Revolution?
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on November 29, 2013, 04:01:43 AM
He is answering some questions in this thread.
Oops, did I miss something? Could you please point me to his posting(s) where he does answer any of the questions about the hardware specs of the GP Revolution?

chrisphl, I think that the Geeksphone Team divides its members to different parts of the forum. As you can see (by the posts) luis.cuervo gives answers in this thread.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: chrisphl on November 29, 2013, 04:13:29 AM
OK, I mean _any_ GP member, not just Rodrigo. The point is, you wouldn't find such posting anyway. :-(
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on November 29, 2013, 04:22:18 AM
Few thinks:

The idea isn't a dual boot. Is Android or FFOS.

We are serving now thousands of request about orders.

We will have annoucement 2 times per week about Revolution.

The request for Revolution are crazy, but of course Peak+ preorder have priority.... ;)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on November 29, 2013, 05:00:30 AM
Few thinks:

The idea isn't a dual boot. Is Android or FFOS.

We are serving now thousands of request about orders.

We will have annoucement 2 times per week about Revolution.

The request for Revolution are crazy, but of course Peak+ preorder have priority.... ;)

2 times per week sounds good  :D thanks for the statement, Rodrigo
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on November 29, 2013, 05:15:31 AM
New post: http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on November 29, 2013, 05:28:44 AM
this tumblr is so ugly :D (sorry, I know it has been created quickly ^^)

well... ones of the most interesting informations for now could be:

depending on that, I'll be able to make my choice... actually, I can't.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: KaiRo on November 29, 2013, 05:57:05 AM
I'm personally pretty much surprised that GP is offering a "Firefox OS" device on a chipset that Mozilla has not talked anywhere about supporting, and also without telling if GP will get the branding rights to even call it "Firefox OS" (which seems to have been a problem for the Peak+ already).
Also, I'm very disappointed that all this means that my Peak will not be as well-supported into the future as GP said not too long ago (as the information was that the same images for the Peak+ would work with the Peak). Unfortunately, I have placed too much trust in GP and just advertised the Peak+ on an event this week. I learned now that I shouldn't have done that and will refrain from ever advertising GP again for the time being.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: luis.cuervo on November 29, 2013, 06:13:57 AM
I'm personally pretty much surprised that GP is offering a "Firefox OS" device on a chipset that Mozilla has not talked anywhere about supporting, and also without telling if GP will get the branding rights to even call it "Firefox OS" (which seems to have been a problem for the Peak+ already).

About the branding, as you can see in the update here http://gigaom.com/2013/11/28/want-android-and-firefox-os-in-one-phone-geeksphone-has-something-lined-up-for-you/ GP try to correct it, but seems that when a story is written no one is interested in update it :(

Quote
Also, I'm very disappointed that all this means that my Peak will not be as well-supported into the future as GP said not too long ago (as the information was that the same images for the Peak+ would work with the Peak). Unfortunately, I have placed too much trust in GP and just advertised the Peak+ on an event this week. I learned now that I shouldn't have done that and will refrain from ever advertising GP again for the time being.

Why the Peak will not be as well-supported as now? Updates will continue, stable images will be there, what let you think that this will change? As much as i know the birth of Revolution is not the death of Peak and Keon.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on November 29, 2013, 06:17:10 AM
New post: http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/

4.7” HD display (1920 x 1080) very high resolution. This is great  :) It looks also a curved display...
What about the 4G support?
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: takashio on November 29, 2013, 08:38:16 AM
For reference, Peek+ users that canceled their preorder are politely being said they need to wait for Revolution to be available until they can buy it - not the answer I wanted, but it's fair.

It was an interesting couple of weeks, but since GP does not want me involved, I'll (hopefully) be back later on. Again, all the best for the new project :)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Javier (gp) on November 30, 2013, 05:27:14 AM
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I'm personally pretty much surprised that GP is offering a "Firefox OS" device on a chipset that Mozilla has not talked anywhere about supporting, and also without telling if GP will get the branding rights to even call it "Firefox OS" (which seems to have been a problem for the Peak+ already).
Also, I'm very disappointed that all this means that my Peak will not be as well-supported into the future as GP said not too long ago (as the information was that the same images for the Peak+ would work with the Peak). Unfortunately, I have placed too much trust in GP and just advertised the Peak+ on an event this week. I learned now that I shouldn't have done that and will refrain from ever advertising GP again for the time being.

Kairo, I'm Javier Agüera, one of Geeksphone co-founders.

I'm very sad to read your message, althogh I understand your view. Some comments:

- We contribute to Firefox OS / B2G project as it is Open Source. We will supply the patches and improvements we develope as we have done in the past (some of them allow FFOS to run on devies such as the ZTE Open)

- Firefox OS vs B2G is just a branding issue. Once the procedures are available, we will follow them to get certified. This certification does not mean our devices comply with our own QA and quality standards which are meant to be equal or higher.

- Peak will be supported in the future. Geeksphone is the only company in the world that has supported a device (the One) from Android 1.5 to Android 2.3. It's in our core values.

Best regards & thanks for sharing your feedback
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Wad on November 30, 2013, 07:13:01 AM
- We contribute to Firefox OS / B2G project as it is Open Source. We will supply the patches and improvements we develope as we have done in the past (some of them allow FFOS to run on devies such as the ZTE Open)

- Firefox OS vs B2G is just a branding issue. Once the procedures are available, we will follow them to get certified. This certification does not mean our devices comply with our own QA and quality standards which are meant to be equal or higher.

- Peak will be supported in the future. Geeksphone is the only company in the world that has supported a device (the One) from Android 1.5 to Android 2.3. It's in our core values.

Best regards & thanks for sharing your feedback

It's cool and reassuring to read this message, in particular for the long term support of Firefox OS on Geeksphones.
The branding issue is just curious from Mozilla's part (but I think I don't know enough about the subject).
Thanks for the information.

[HS]It's weird, I get the forum UI in Spanish now  ??? [/HS]
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: chrisphl on November 30, 2013, 07:22:32 AM
Hi Javier,

nice to read some written lines from your hands here. As I'm one of those people that you disappointed cancelling their Peak+ order I'm sure not asking just for myself but for all of your customers:

Could you please so kind to state the hardware specifications you're estimating to build into the new Geeksphone Revolution?

My list of smartphones opens with the OpenMoko Neo Freerunner GTA02, went further with the Nokia N900. Actually I'm using an HP Pre3 and I really would like to "peak" this row of more or less free smartphones with an high end product of your company running Firefox OS. I really love (and live) the idea of free software.
As you can read above, I'm close to cancel my order completely because I deeply feel the disappointment of being deceived. We all are human thus do fail from time to time. I do believe you couldn't do anything to avoid the misery you stumbled into. But why do you continue to not communicate with me and all the other Peak+ order customers and strain the rest of trust in your company we all have?

You could back up again and make me (and many other people) happy with answering my question.

hopefully
Christian



@WAD: I think the forum crashed yesterday evening somehow. I could turn it back to english version using profile settings. (Don't forget to input your password, to make the change happen.)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Wad on December 03, 2013, 04:21:51 AM
For the Revolution, can we at least see some pictures of the entire phone instead of the only picture on Tumblr?

For my preorder, currently, I haven't yet any return from my email to get the Revolution instead of Peak+. Do you still have a lot of email to deal with? There are some money at stake here :-\

@chrisphl, I saw your post and now, I'm guessing it's good because I see the UI in english ^^
Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on December 03, 2013, 04:37:43 AM
For the Revolution, can we at least see some pictures of the entire phone instead of the only picture on Tumblr?

Good point! I'm also interested in details about the new phone.  :)

Come on, Geeksphone: There MUST be an update since last week  ;)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on December 03, 2013, 04:41:36 AM
Remember that most of us Peak+ clients will only buy the REVOLUTION  if there are more information about the hardware and especially about the release date.

Don't forget to give us feedback every week - you promised it  :)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Wad on December 03, 2013, 09:27:24 AM
I hope that we will be soon able to tell "this phone is amazing" but we need informations first. ;)

For my preorder, currently, I haven't yet any return from my email to get the Revolution instead of Peak+. Do you still have a lot of email to deal with? There are some money at stake here :-\
I quote myself just to say that I got an email today about my change for the Revolution and I see "Cambiado por REVOLUTION" (Changed by Revolution in english) in my account. I do not have more information but it's a start ^^
So I'm guessing that everybody will get an answer soon.  :)

Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on December 03, 2013, 01:06:36 PM
a little update full of information :D http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/post/68896323385/availability

Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 03, 2013, 01:30:25 PM
a little update full of information :D http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/post/68896323385/availability


 :D :D :D :D :D

Fantastic news!
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on December 03, 2013, 03:10:42 PM
haha! the so waited news :D

that's a great news :) :) :)
hope it will work!
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on December 03, 2013, 03:43:01 PM
xinouch:
haha! the so waited news :D

that's a great news :) :) :)
hope it will work!


what does that mean "great news" - they did not give us the information in which JANUARY they want release the revolution. could be also january 2015 :-D :-D
I'm joking ;-)

I also hope that geeksphone will release it at the date they told us :-)

any further news about the hardware?

greetings! :-)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Javier (gp) on December 03, 2013, 04:47:03 PM
Christian, regarding your question

We hope to publish full specs before Christmas

It will be in line with flagship devices from other manufacturers, maybe slightly below, but between the 1st and 2nd series of other brands.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on December 03, 2013, 07:08:36 PM
Christian, regarding your question

We hope to publish full specs before Christmas

It will be in line with flagship devices from other manufacturers, maybe slightly below, but between the 1st and 2nd series of other brands.

LTE? *That's* flagship! ;-)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 04, 2013, 12:04:42 AM
Christian, regarding your question

We hope to publish full specs before Christmas

It will be in line with flagship devices from other manufacturers, maybe slightly below, but between the 1st and 2nd series of other brands.

LTE? *That's* flagship! ;-)

In the Spanish forum it appears that it will have HSPA+ connection and not LTE, quoting an answer of Javier(gp): En principio no contará con LTE pero sí con HSPA+, that translated means: In principle it will not have LTE but HSPA +.
HSPA+ has a max velocity of 84Mbps downlink and 22Mbps uplink. Instead LTE 100Mbps downlink and 50Mbps uplink. HSPA+ is an older technology than LTE (http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-hspa-and-vs-lte/ (http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-hspa-and-vs-lte/)).
But it is also my question. Which type of connection the phone will have?
HSPA+ or LTE? From the Spanish forum it appears that it will have HSPA+ connection. Is that true?
Thank you
 :)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on December 04, 2013, 12:18:53 AM
In the Spanish forum it appears that it will have HSPA+ connection and not LTE, quoting an answer of Javier(gp): En principio no contará con LTE pero sí con HSPA+, that translated means: In principle it will not have LTE but HSPA +.
HSPA+ has a max velocity of 84Mbps downlink and 22Mbps uplink. Instead LTE 100Mbps downlink and 50Mbps uplink. HSPA+ is an older technology than LTE (http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-hspa-and-vs-lte/ (http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-hspa-and-vs-lte/)).
But it is also my question. Which type of connection the phone will have?
HSPA+ or LTE? From the Spanish forum it appears that it will have HSPA+ connection. Is that true?
Thank you
 :)

My ZTE Open has HSDPA, 7.2 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps - I'd settle for 84 M downlink, given that my wired broadband is only 25M ;-)
 
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on December 04, 2013, 10:08:50 PM
Sounds like the description for the cancelled peak+ ;)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 04, 2013, 10:48:40 PM
at last we have some informations :)
instead of give them one by one, why not create a real post where you give the specs of the phone (intel x86, 2Go RAM for the moment), the price, the release date (2 months ?), where you are actually in the project (MP lanched ?), what you need before send the new phone...

it would be VERY kind of you to give us a sort of roadmap for the revolution that you update daily or weekly to tell us how the project is.

I think, you ought it to us, and you need it to regain our trust.
You create open phones, why not create it openly? (well... with a known development)
+1

Is http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/ official by Geeksphone? Why no more details there like 2GB RAM, Intel processor, HSPA+ or LTE, etc.?

Is the specification true in http://www.zonamovilidad.es/noticia/6974/Noticias/Geeksphone-Revolution-un-Smartphone-con-Android-y-Firefox-OS.html ?
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That device, which is priced at 180.29 euros, OpenWeb integrates its IPS screen is 4.3 inches with a resolution of 960x540 pixels and Snapdragon S4 processor at 1.2 GHz, with 1GB of RAM and 4GB of internal memory, which can be expandable via microSD cards. Includes 8-megapixel main camera and 2 megapixel front.

It is written in this uninformative article: "Geeksphone no ha revelado aún las características de este dispositivo, sin embargo es de suponerse será superior al Geeksphone Peak+."

That translated means: "Geeksphone has yet to reveal the features of this device, however is assumed to be superior Geeksphone Peak +"

So why are you still speculating on the total nothing. This article is quite stupid. It is saying that the features are not revealed yet and at the same time is simply repeating the features of the peak+. I say that it is rubbish.
I would say that before to cite rubbish, please read carefully.

From GP the features of the Revolution are: screen 4.8 inch HD, HSPA+ (read the spanish forum please). So the article you cited is wrong.

And to answer your question: "Is http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/ official by Geeksphone? Why no more details there like 2GB RAM, Intel processor, HSPA+ or LTE, etc.?"

Are you able to read the rest of the forum? The GP founders published this tumblr. So why should not be it official??????

All the informations are on the forum and easily accessible.

I say to be patient and wait. And if you cannot just ask back your money. Is that not simple?
 :)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on December 05, 2013, 03:44:43 AM

All the informations are on the forum and easily accessible.

I say to be patient and wait. And if you cannot just ask back your money. Is that not simple?
 :)

Exactly! Wise words - we have to keep calm and relax 8) We are not able to speed up the production process  ;)  The only thing is that we can guess which components the new phone will include  ;D

By the way, what do you think: Will there be a quad-core or dual-core CPU?  :)

Another question: Which version of Firefox OS will be installed on the REVOLUTION ?

"end of january" --> Firefox OS 1.3 ???  :o
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Desiderius on December 05, 2013, 04:46:45 AM
Another question in mind :

- Will REVOLUTION be really dual-boot ( Android AND Firefox OS ) so we can choose what OS to boot ?

- Or will we have to decide definitively whether we want FFOS on it or Android ?
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: chrisphl on December 05, 2013, 04:55:10 AM
The latter one. IMHO this information can be found some pages before.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on December 05, 2013, 01:19:54 PM
youhou!!! I've changed my order today! I will receive a revolution in january :D
or in february :D
or in april :)
or in july :s
or never :'(

let's be optimistic :D

and to answer the posts above, it will not be a dual boot, we'll have to choose. however, we will be able to make a dual boot if we want (I think...). The cool thing is that it officially support android and FFOS!

and I think it will be a dual core, because it is not expensive enough for a quad core (my opinion...)
but I haven't look at the intel processors for mobile phones...
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 05, 2013, 05:19:13 PM
I also opted for the Revolution.
 :D
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on December 05, 2013, 11:08:37 PM
youhou!!! I've changed my order today! I will receive a revolution in january :D
or in february :D
or in april :)
or in july :s
or never :'(

let's be optimistic :D

and to answer the posts above, it will not be a dual boot, we'll have to choose. however, we will be able to make a dual boot if we want (I think...). The cool thing is that it officially support android and FFOS!

and I think it will be a dual core, because it is not expensive enough for a quad core (my opinion...)
but I haven't look at the intel processors for mobile phones...

I forget which news article it was, but IIRC the 'dual-boot' capability was for 'advanced users'. I haven't seen that here on the forum. My guess is that 'advanced user' means someone like me who is downloading the FxOS code from the Mozilla git repositories and flashing it to the phone. I have a ZTE Open which is configured like an 'inari' device.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on December 05, 2013, 11:40:41 PM
I also did my order today for the new Revolution  :)

Hope that there won't be any further delays  ???

End of january would be fine  :D


I'm dying to get new information about that phone =P
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on December 06, 2013, 12:22:15 AM
I forget which news article it was, but IIRC the 'dual-boot' capability was for 'advanced users'. I haven't seen that here on the forum. My guess is that 'advanced user' means someone like me who is downloading the FxOS code from the Mozilla git repositories and flashing it to the phone. I have a ZTE Open which is configured like an 'inari' device.

yes of course ;) just like a dual boot for computers are for advanced user. even if it has become quite simple for computers, I can't imagine my mother installing 2 OS in dual boot on her computer ^^ (not even one :p)
what I meant is: if you want to, you can. But by default, there won't be a dual boot (according to what we know for now).
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 06, 2013, 12:39:21 AM
I forget which news article it was, but IIRC the 'dual-boot' capability was for 'advanced users'. I haven't seen that here on the forum. My guess is that 'advanced user' means someone like me who is downloading the FxOS code from the Mozilla git repositories and flashing it to the phone. I have a ZTE Open which is configured like an 'inari' device.

yes of course ;) just like a dual boot for computers are for advanced user. even if it has become quite simple for computers, I can't imagine my mother installing 2 OS in dual boot on her computer ^^ (not even one :p)
what I meant is: if you want to, you can. But by default, there won't be a dual boot (according to what we know for now).

If technically possible the dual boot would be interesting for developers and testers. Using for daily use Android and for testing Firefox Os would be a nice option without the need to flash continuously the phone.
OT I am wondering if the core of Firefox Os is based on free software or in proprietary software.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: shtirlits on December 06, 2013, 01:57:09 AM
Hey guys! The day before yesterday I've requested the exchange for the revolution. Should I get any reply with the exchange confirmation, or something like that?
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on December 06, 2013, 02:06:58 AM
Hey guys! The day before yesterday I've requested the exchange for the revolution. Should I get any reply with the exchange confirmation, or something like that?

I THINK so, don't know - normally you should get one. When ordering the PEAK+ I got an email with a confirmation PDF File. I also ordered today so I hope that I get a confirmation today also  :P
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on December 06, 2013, 03:17:15 AM
@ivanBasel: yes, firefox OS only contains free software. This may be false for some drivers. But basically, it is free software as it is built on a linux kernel (and it uses some things from android which is free, if you remove the Google Aps). correct me if I'm wrong :)

@shtirlits: you will receive an email (possibly 2 days after your exchange request), and if you look at the details of your command in geeksphone's shop, it will be written "Cambiado por REVOLUTION" ;)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: trwrt on December 06, 2013, 03:40:40 AM
So, what is going to be the "special sauce" that Geeksphone adds to make this device stand out?  Why am I going to want it instead of a Nexus 5, for example?  You must have some plans beyond just having an integrator put together a generic Android phone for you.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on December 06, 2013, 04:23:45 AM
So, what is going to be the "special sauce" that Geeksphone adds to make this device stand out?  Why am I going to want it instead of a Nexus 5, for example?  You must have some plans beyond just having an integrator put together a generic Android phone for you.

My friend,

For all who hate iOS, Android, Windows Phone, Blackberry, Symbian and who were disappointed by Samsung's Bada (not the OS but the Samsung itself) this new operating system offers a nice opportunity.
Why should we buy this device? Well, I just can tell you why I buy it - In despite to all other Firefox mobiles on the world market this Geeksphone phone shall be more powerful with (hopefully!) 2GB, a strong processor and a great screen (4,8").  8)
I want to buy a mobile which makes me happy also in 2-3 years and I think that a ZTE Open with 1Ghz and 256 MBRAM won't last that long for me  ;)
I think that most of the potential clients want to be different, seperate from the masses and believe in open source --> this is the reason why I invest in this company and in its products :-)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on December 06, 2013, 05:48:44 AM
Dear all,

Thanks for you support, you will be the 1º users of the Revolution.

Follow more news ASAP..... ;)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 06, 2013, 06:36:02 AM
@ivanBasel: yes, firefox OS only contains free software. This may be false for some drivers. But basically, it is free software as it is built on a linux kernel (and it uses some things from android which is free, if you remove the Google Aps). correct me if I'm wrong :)



Yes I was referring to the drivers. It would be nice to have a completely free and open device. Maybe the revolution will have completely free software. Let's see  8)

Dear all,

Thanks for you support, you will be the 1º users of the Revolution.

Follow more news ASAP..... ;)

I am looking forward :)
Actually I will start to work with javascript and HTML5 next year .... ;D
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on December 06, 2013, 08:25:22 AM
well... AFAIK firefox OS can be completely free (open-source) : you can simply clone the git repo and compile it yourself, and voilà ;)
just like android

in order to improve the user experience of FFOS on the mobile phone (marketing style), some companies change a bit some things (add driver or modify the GUI to add a pretty bad looking logo...). these modifications are usually not free...
but I don't know what geeksphone change in their official release. I know that the nightly builds distributed by geeksphone are just a compiled version of the FFOS git repo, so totally free (I think :p)

I just begin HTML5 and javascript to create an app for FFOS. Let's share our work ;)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on December 06, 2013, 08:46:03 AM
Let's share our work ;)

+1..... ;)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on December 06, 2013, 01:43:55 PM

Why should we buy this device? Well, I just can tell you why I buy it - In despite to all other Firefox mobiles on the world market this Geeksphone phone shall be more powerful with (hopefully!) 2GB, a strong processor and a great screen (4,8").  8)
I want to buy a mobile which makes me happy also in 2-3 years and I think that a ZTE Open with 1Ghz and 256 MBRAM won't last that long for me  ;)

As long as Moore's Law holds out and big enterprises like Apple, Google, Microsoft and Samsung exist, you're going to see devices go obsolete much faster than the 2-3 year cycles most consumers and businesses desire. I have the ZTE Open and once I flashed it from Mozilla B2G source, the performance was acceptable given my spotty 3G connection. As long as I have solid WiFi it's fine except for the Twitter app crashing all the time.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Wad on December 07, 2013, 01:47:49 AM
What about the 4G support?
I'm also interested to know if the phone will support 4G even if it isn't a priority ^^

well... AFAIK firefox OS can be completely free (open-source) : you can simply clone the git repo and compile it yourself, and voilà ;)
just like android
And that is great!

I just begin HTML5 and javascript to create an app for FFOS. Let's share our work ;)
The same, while I wait for the Revolution, I have some time. A Firefox OS app is just the right thing to do.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: greguu on December 07, 2013, 04:19:29 AM
Hi!

as most of you I was disappointed about the cancellation of the Peak+. However, I look forward to the Revolution.
I would like to get more facts about the device as soon as possible - just to know what I am waiting for.
I currently changed my pre-order to the Revolution and hope not to be disappointed again.

What Firefox OS/Boot 2 Gecko or Android version will be shipped with the Revolution ?

Will users have the freedom to change their choice of OS after they received the phone ?
e.g. Will you provide compatible images for the Revolution to be flashed, no matter what OS was installed as default ?

To raise a bit more attention from developers more information should be provided.
Also if you can manage to get certified by Mozilla to use the default Firefox OS so you do not have to
worry about creating custom images without branding.

Focusing on HTML5 is probably the way to go, eventually providing support for apps
from both, Tizen and Firefox OS/Boot 2 Gecko in the future ?

Keeping an close eye on further news!

Cheers 8)



Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on December 07, 2013, 12:43:08 PM
Focusing on HTML5 is probably the way to go, eventually providing support for apps
from both, Tizen and Firefox OS/Boot 2 Gecko in the future ?

That might be difficult to do amidst the granfalloons in the telecommunications industry, but it would really be nice - a truly open Linux handset that can run pure Android (Kit Kat), Firefox OS, Sailfish OS,Tizen or Ubuntu. ;-)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on December 09, 2013, 12:03:25 AM
Charged news :D http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/post/69466523961/battery

I would happy to see more pictures as soon as possible. ;)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Wad on December 09, 2013, 12:57:24 AM
Quote
We have finished drafting the battery selection for the Revolution. It will feature a high end 2000 mAh LiPo battery, which will be replaceable by the user (and yes, we will sell extra batteries!)
Cool, a great battery for a great phone!
I also like the extra ;)

I would happy to see more pictures as soon as possible. ;)
Me too, we want more pictures ^^
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on December 09, 2013, 02:32:30 AM
See the full hd description is removed from screen specs...
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 09, 2013, 03:01:29 AM
See the full hd description is removed from screen specs...

 ??? ???
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on December 09, 2013, 03:01:46 AM
it's a pity geeksphone's staff don't come here to explain a bit the news :/

I just think about it: I *really* hope there will be a slot for microSD cards... It seems it becomes a cool thing to not put it anymore (nexus 5, Iphones...)

edit @ivanBasel:
http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/post/68455564279/screen-size
no more "1920 * 1080"
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 09, 2013, 03:16:50 AM
i
http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/post/68455564279/screen-size
no more "1920 * 1080"

yeah it sounded quite fantastic feature...probably lower specs in reality. But let's see  :)
HTC one has 4.7 inch HD and it is at the top of the pixel density....
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on December 09, 2013, 04:22:09 AM
See the full hd description is removed from screen specs...

 ??? ???

hmm...  ???
Now I'm interested in the official statement by Geeksphone about that  :o
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on December 09, 2013, 09:20:29 AM
dear admins
this is not the transparency we want :/ ... pls explain why you delete the full hd feature ...

yours pavl


Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on December 09, 2013, 09:21:16 AM
anyway, 1980 * 1080 is more than I have on my 15" laptop... I'm not sure it is really useful. I can deal with a lower resolution ^^
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Wad on December 09, 2013, 09:46:45 AM
anyway, 1980 * 1080 is more than I have on my 15" laptop... I'm not sure it is really useful. I can deal with a lower resolution ^^
Sure, on a device of this size (4.7") I think that we can't see the difference between 1280*720 and 1980*1080 for example.  ;)

Anyway, I also want to get a statement about this spec which disapear.  :(
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on December 09, 2013, 11:48:34 AM
that's right, I don't need full hd, but I can't understand why the spec dissapear without any statement. seems that they hope nobody detect the difference.... 
perhaps they think we are fools... :(
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on December 09, 2013, 12:29:57 PM
Hi,

There are supply problems with TP in HD full (1920×1080).

We're working to find HD or even qHD now.

Our main concern is time and quality.

Thank you.

Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on December 10, 2013, 12:35:08 AM
thx for the Information. A wish: It would bei nice to get these statements before you delete ;)


rainy greets from germany
have a nice day :)

pavl
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on December 10, 2013, 01:24:11 AM
thx for the Information. A wish: It would bei nice to get these statements before you delete ;)

I have to agree  ;)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Eric Lee on December 10, 2013, 03:43:42 AM
This is very exciting -- because what's going to hold up Firefox OS is the quality of the phones produced so far.  A friend of mine bought one for his son -- and had to return it as unusable. 

I'd be very keen to buy such a phone with a large screen (I'd prefer something as large as the one on my Samsung Galaxy Note 1) and ideally with a better battery than Samsung was offering. 

I have a particular interest in the success of this phone as I am the co-author (with Jeremy Green) of the book "Firefox OS for Activists" which came out in paperback and Kindle editions in October.  (Shameless promotion here - http://www.labourstart.org/firefoxos/ (http://www.labourstart.org/firefoxos/) .)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 10, 2013, 11:41:12 AM
anyway, 1980 * 1080 is more than I have on my 15" laptop... I'm not sure it is really useful. I can deal with a lower resolution ^^
Sure, on a device of this size (4.7") I think that we can't see the difference between 1280*720 and 1980*1080 for example.  ;)

Anyway, I also want to get a statement about this spec which disapear.  :(

Sure you would see and you see the difference between a device with 4.7" with 1280*720 and 1980*1080.
The max resolution a human eye can discriminate is 2190 ppi at 5 cm distance (http://wolfcrow.com/blog/notes-by-dr-optoglass-the-resolution-of-the-human-eye/ (http://wolfcrow.com/blog/notes-by-dr-optoglass-the-resolution-of-the-human-eye/)).
So the actual devices like this (http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/lg-quad-hd-smartphone-screen/ (http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/lg-quad-hd-smartphone-screen/)) with 538 ppi are still far from the max resolution.

A little bit disappointing using a qHD in a 4.7 inch...  :(
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on December 10, 2013, 03:22:57 PM
In your link, it is for 10 cm, but they assume that 876 ppi are enough.
Moreover, I never use my phone at 10 cm of my eyes (at least 20)...
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 11, 2013, 06:27:10 AM
In your link, it is for 10 cm, but they assume that 876 ppi are enough.
Moreover, I never use my phone at 10 cm of my eyes (at least 20)...

The LG experimental screen is not even close to 876 ppi .
And I would be a little bit disappointed to have a 4.7 inch with just qHD.
I can say that it is very visible the difference. Just take the screen of a HTC one and the Samsung galaxy S4. The difference in pixel density is minimal but still you can see it. I don't see your point to have a very low spec for the screen.

Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on December 11, 2013, 06:38:44 AM
more pixels -> less autonomy. That's my point ;)
It's like the cameras with 14 Mpx but with a very bad quality.

I would have prefer something between qHD and 1920*1080  :-\
HD sounds great for me

edit: http://forum.geeksphone.com/index.php?topic=5797.msg62021#msg62021 (in spanish...)

In this topic, luis speak about ubuntu OS. it could also be interesting :)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 11, 2013, 10:41:11 AM
more pixels -> less autonomy. That's my point ;)
It's like the cameras with 14 Mpx but with a very bad quality.

I would have prefer something between qHD and 1920*1080  :-\
HD sounds great for me

edit: http://forum.geeksphone.com/index.php?topic=5797.msg62021#msg62021 (in spanish...)

In this topic, luis speak about ubuntu OS. it could also be interesting :)

I understand, but I think the full HD would not be a problem for the intel CPU supposed to be in this phone. Not at all. It is not the number of pixel itself that determines the power consumption, but the CPU usage and the backlight illumination (read this paper: https://www.usenix.org/legacy/event/usenix10/tech/full_papers/Carroll.pdf (https://www.usenix.org/legacy/event/usenix10/tech/full_papers/Carroll.pdf)). Let's see what it will come out. I am curious  :)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on December 11, 2013, 11:45:35 AM
In your link, it is for 10 cm, but they assume that 876 ppi are enough.
Moreover, I never use my phone at 10 cm of my eyes (at least 20)...

The LG experimental screen is not even close to 876 ppi .
And I would be a little bit disappointed to have a 4.7 inch with just qHD.
I can say that it is very visible the difference. Just take the screen of a HTC one and the Samsung galaxy S4. The difference in pixel density is minimal but still you can see it. I don't see your point to have a very low spec for the screen.

The "state of the art" for devices I can actually whip out a credit card and buy, take home, activate and use is somewhere between 300 and 400 pixels per inch. SWAT! (Sell What's Available Today!)
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 11, 2013, 12:01:23 PM
In your link, it is for 10 cm, but they assume that 876 ppi are enough.
Moreover, I never use my phone at 10 cm of my eyes (at least 20)...

The LG experimental screen is not even close to 876 ppi .
And I would be a little bit disappointed to have a 4.7 inch with just qHD.
I can say that it is very visible the difference. Just take the screen of a HTC one and the Samsung galaxy S4. The difference in pixel density is minimal but still you can see it. I don't see your point to have a very low spec for the screen.

The "state of the art" for devices I can actually whip out a credit card and buy, take home, activate and use is somewhere between 300 and 400 pixels per inch. SWAT! (Sell What's Available Today!)

HTC one 4.7-inch touchscreen display with Full HD resolution (1920 x 1080 pixels); 468 PPI.
The screen is very very sharp.
I would like to have a screen like that than a qHD display that at 4.7 inch would be 233 PPI.
My "old" galaxy i9000 has 233 PPI!!! in 4 inch screen. But it is more than 3 years old.
With qHD display in Revolution we would have a phone already out of the market since 3 years....
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 12, 2013, 04:59:27 AM
PS: I would not mind to wait a little bit longer for better specs.  :)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on December 12, 2013, 10:14:09 PM
how long to wait for how much better specs.
I think 1280*720 would be also nice.
Many people wait already a long time for the Peak+.
If it takes a few extra months, i think it is better to use now 1280*720, and after that working on a phone with a higher resolution.
And it is better to use a good 1280*720 than a bad 1920x1080.
Higher resolution is not always better, it is hard to keep the same quality with smaller pixels.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 13, 2013, 03:04:15 AM
how long to wait for how much better specs.
I think 1280*720 would be also nice.
Many people wait already a long time for the Peak+.
If it takes a few extra months, i think it is better to use now 1280*720, and after that working on a phone with a higher resolution.
And it is better to use a good 1280*720 than a bad 1920x1080.
Higher resolution is not always better, it is hard to keep the same quality with smaller pixels.

I think I can wait enough to have good specifications. It is not a problem since I waited till now. I am very patient.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on December 13, 2013, 04:12:46 AM

I think I can wait enough to have good specifications. It is not a problem since I waited till now. I am very patient.

Well I am also very patient, but don't believe that the spefications will much improve - don't forget that the already paid money for the peak+ (in my case 201€) must fit with the costs of the REVOLUTION. And the prize for components will not decrease (very much) in, let's say, 2 further months.  ::)

And I think we've waited long enough for the Peak+. I don't want anymore delays so I'm looking forward to get my new REVOLUTION phone at the end of January 2014 as the Geeksphoners said ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on December 13, 2013, 05:34:58 AM
And I think we've waited long enough for the Peak+. I don't want anymore delays so I'm looking forward to get my new REVOLUTION phone at the end of January 2014 as the Geeksphoners said ;)

Indeed, i think with a hd resolution (not full hd) and shipping at the end of january will be great, we had enough delays already with the Peak+
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: karl on December 13, 2013, 06:29:34 AM

I think I can wait enough to have good specifications. It is not a problem since I waited till now. I am very patient.

Well I am also very patient, but don't believe that the spefications will much improve - don't forget that the already paid money for the peak+ (in my case 201€) must fit with the costs of the REVOLUTION. And the prize for components will not decrease (very much) in, let's say, 2 further months.  ::)

And I think we've waited long enough for the Peak+. I don't want anymore delays so I'm looking forward to get my new REVOLUTION phone at the end of January 2014 as the Geeksphoners said ;)
I think the Revolution will cost about 300€.
They said that people that have ordered peak+, will have about 50% discount for Revolution.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 13, 2013, 10:22:33 AM

I think I can wait enough to have good specifications. It is not a problem since I waited till now. I am very patient.

Well I am also very patient, but don't believe that the spefications will much improve - don't forget that the already paid money for the peak+ (in my case 201€) must fit with the costs of the REVOLUTION. And the prize for components will not decrease (very much) in, let's say, 2 further months.  ::)

And I think we've waited long enough for the Peak+. I don't want anymore delays so I'm looking forward to get my new REVOLUTION phone at the end of January 2014 as the Geeksphoners said ;)
I think the Revolution will cost about 300€.
They said that people that have ordered peak+, will have about 50% discount for Revolution.

The costs I don't believe are a big problem... read this http://www.neowin.net/news/the-real-price-of-the-iphone-5-207 (http://www.neowin.net/news/the-real-price-of-the-iphone-5-207).
300 euro are 411 USD...two iphone 5...
So the costs are not the problem. Is the problem the time?
I can wait. We had discount as peak+ preorder? And now the costs are superior. No problem, I would pay the difference to have a proper device. I can wait.

Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on December 13, 2013, 11:33:07 AM

I think I can wait enough to have good specifications. It is not a problem since I waited till now. I am very patient.

Well I am also very patient, but don't believe that the spefications will much improve - don't forget that the already paid money for the peak+ (in my case 201€) must fit with the costs of the REVOLUTION. And the prize for components will not decrease (very much) in, let's say, 2 further months.  ::)

And I think we've waited long enough for the Peak+. I don't want anymore delays so I'm looking forward to get my new REVOLUTION phone at the end of January 2014 as the Geeksphoners said ;)
I think the Revolution will cost about 300€.
They said that people that have ordered peak+, will have about 50% discount for Revolution.

Is the problem the time?

Yes, more news on Monday. We have just received confirmation for MP at the end of January.... ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on December 13, 2013, 01:43:26 PM
Nice, very good news! Can't wait...
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 13, 2013, 02:31:47 PM

I think I can wait enough to have good specifications. It is not a problem since I waited till now. I am very patient.

Well I am also very patient, but don't believe that the spefications will much improve - don't forget that the already paid money for the peak+ (in my case 201€) must fit with the costs of the REVOLUTION. And the prize for components will not decrease (very much) in, let's say, 2 further months.  ::)

And I think we've waited long enough for the Peak+. I don't want anymore delays so I'm looking forward to get my new REVOLUTION phone at the end of January 2014 as the Geeksphoners said ;)
I think the Revolution will cost about 300€.
They said that people that have ordered peak+, will have about 50% discount for Revolution.

Is the problem the time?

Yes, more news on Monday. We have just received confirmation for MP at the end of January.... ;)

So decision is taken. Let's see monday  :D
I am curious to know all the specifications of the device, processor, GPU, RAM  ;D
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on December 16, 2013, 02:59:00 AM
At the moment there's no update on the roadmap http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/ (http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/) ...  :-[

Can't wait to get news about the revolution  :o

Give us information or we will start a revolution in this forum  ;) :D ;D
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Wad on December 16, 2013, 04:21:57 AM
Give us information or we will start a revolution in this forum  ;) :D ;D

+1 :D
We want more information!  :)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on December 16, 2013, 04:40:41 AM
patience please, Geeksphone had promised today, the day is not over yet  ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on December 16, 2013, 09:33:50 AM
qHD...
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 16, 2013, 10:03:59 AM
qHD...

If qHD is 960x540 in 4.7 inch, I think it is a huge mistake.
Even Chinese cheap mobiles come with at least HD display (see this: http://www.china24shop.com/huawei-p6-smart-phone-47-inch-qhd-screen-quad-core-android-42-2gb-ram-8gb-rom-white-p-1687.html (http://www.china24shop.com/huawei-p6-smart-phone-47-inch-qhd-screen-quad-core-android-42-2gb-ram-8gb-rom-white-p-1687.html)). In 4.7 inch the PPI is very low, comparable with phones of more than 3 years ago (galaxy S I9000 for example). It doesn't matter the dimension if the image is not sharp. It was better the peak with 4.3 inch and the same resolution.
I don't understand this decision. In a smartphone the screen is everything. It is the main interface.
Mah let's see the other specifications. But I am quite disappointed.  :(
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: soupytwist on December 16, 2013, 10:50:08 AM
I'm not sure what they mean by "Video: 1080p @ 30fps" if it's qHD... how can you have 1080p video on 540px display?

Anyway... I agree that the screen is important, but I'm happy to see GP making progress with this  :)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on December 16, 2013, 10:54:11 AM
the video is for the camera. you can record HD movies with the cam.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: karl on December 16, 2013, 10:58:25 AM
qHD...

If qHD is 960x540 in 4.7 inch, I think it is a huge mistake.
Even Chinese cheap mobiles come with at least HD display (see this: http://www.china24shop.com/huawei-p6-smart-phone-47-inch-qhd-screen-quad-core-android-42-2gb-ram-8gb-rom-white-p-1687.html (http://www.china24shop.com/huawei-p6-smart-phone-47-inch-qhd-screen-quad-core-android-42-2gb-ram-8gb-rom-white-p-1687.html)). In 4.7 inch the PPI is very low, comparable with phones of more than 3 years ago (galaxy S I9000 for example). It doesn't matter the dimension if the image is not sharp. It was better the peak with 4.3 inch and the same resolution.
I don't understand this decision. In a smartphone the screen is everything. It is the main interface.
Mah let's see the other specifications. But I am quite disappointed.  :(
+1
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: soupytwist on December 16, 2013, 11:17:39 AM
the video is for the camera. you can record HD movies with the cam.

Ah, that makes more sense   ;D  hard to tell what they mean sometimes   ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on December 16, 2013, 11:36:58 AM
Processor and RAM haven't been defined yet?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on December 16, 2013, 12:15:39 PM
when i bought my low level htc wildfire f*** phone I payed 280€  for a display with 125 ppi :/  . I payed 190€ incl. tax for the Revolution and I get 234 ppi. so in case of this its a good deal, not the best but its okay. 

have a nice evening :)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: karl on December 16, 2013, 01:07:37 PM
when i bought my low level htc wildfire f*** phone I payed 280€  for a display with 125 ppi :/  . I payed 190€ incl. tax for the Revolution and I get 234 ppi. so in case of this its a good deal, not the best but its okay. 

have a nice evening :)
That is right. You pay 190 because you ordered de peak+. Rest of the people will pay more than that.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on December 16, 2013, 01:50:36 PM
well, I expected revolutionary details about the "strong heart" of the smartphone...

anyway, we have to be patient.

pictures of the whole smartphone would be cool! :-) also the color of the phone could be interesting. I'd prefer the "keon orange" ^^
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on December 16, 2013, 01:56:44 PM
Geeksphone say to give all specs before Christmas, but I hope also they give more details earlier
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on December 16, 2013, 03:47:00 PM
I'm especially interested about the connectivity: SDcard slot? jack?..
as with nexus 5 and iPhones, we can have some surprises...
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on December 16, 2013, 04:35:59 PM
I'm especially interested about the connectivity: SDcard slot? jack?..
as with nexus 5 and iPhones, we can have some surprises...

Yes and yes..... ;)

Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on December 16, 2013, 04:37:56 PM
hoho! you don't sleep at this time :D
great news for me :) thank you!!!
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: jravenger4 on December 16, 2013, 10:42:14 PM
If the design is like the Mozilla Seabird concept phone, definitely this will be a true revolution. 8)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on December 17, 2013, 03:50:06 AM
@Karl yeah and I'm happy cause I payed only 190€ and get a phone which is more expensive. I would never  bought a phone that will cost more then 200€ again, cause after 2 years I need a new one.

@geeksphone pls show more photos ;)

thank you :).
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on December 17, 2013, 04:24:21 AM

@geeksphone pls show more photos ;)

thank you :).

So true  ;)

We are addicted, give us more... MOOOOORE  ;D
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 17, 2013, 09:47:08 AM
@Karl yeah and I'm happy cause I payed only 190€ and get a phone which is more expensive. I would never  bought a phone that will cost more then 200€ again, cause after 2 years I need a new one.

@geeksphone pls show more photos ;)

thank you :).

If your purpose is just to have the cheapest phone possible, the Chinese market offers a lot.
When I first ordered the peak+ I made this to have a phone able to run Firefox Os. It was also at that time a good phone.
I can afford to buy all the latest phones as iphone 5 or HTC one. But it is not a question of money.
I want a phone that is able to run free software. And I want a phone that is not worst than my old phone.
Unfortunately as it is the Revolution starts already obsolete with a PPI bad and a resolution not adeguate for a screen of that size.

I totally disagree with you. I don't want a cheap phone. I want a phone that runs free software and offers good technical specifications.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 17, 2013, 09:56:31 AM
A question. I read in the spanish forum that GP decided to implement the qHD for the first batch of the Revolution. I read that probably GP will look for other solutions (like HD) for May 2014.
My question is: Is it possible for me to wait till the next implementation of the Revolution with an adeguate HD display? I am ready to pay the difference since I have preordered the peak+.
Because I don't see any use of a qHD screen in a 4.7 inch display.
I don't want such a phone, but I am ready to wait longer and also to pay the difference for a better display. Will you offer this possibility?
If you will not offer this possibility is it still possible to have back the money?
I am sorry but the display quality for me is very important and a qHD display is obsolete in a 4.7 inch.
Thank you
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on December 17, 2013, 01:59:51 PM
I want a phone with a free software too, thats the reason i want a ffos phone, but i´m not able to pay so many €. Thats the reason why i preorder the Peak+... and now i w8 so long i want a phone doesnt matter what for a display...

gn8
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on December 17, 2013, 03:18:30 PM

If you will not offer this possibility is it still possible to have back the money?

Thank you

You have this Email account for that: refund@geeksphone.com
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 17, 2013, 10:16:14 PM

If you will not offer this possibility is it still possible to have back the money?

Thank you

You have this Email account for that: refund@geeksphone.com

This is very good, thank you. I will wait to know all the specs of the phone anyway.
It is nice to have all possibilities. Keep us informed about the phone.  :)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 17, 2013, 11:28:33 PM
I want a phone with a free software too, thats the reason i want a ffos phone, but i´m not able to pay so many €. Thats the reason why i preorder the Peak+... and now i w8 so long i want a phone doesnt matter what for a display...

gn8


I understand you perfectly but this is not a good reason or a justification for a product that is offered as innovative. If you want a free software phone and cheap I give you an example. Buy a second hand galaxy S2. Install on it Firefox Os right away. You have your cheap free software phone with a screen similar to what we will have with Revolution in terms of PPI. The S2 is fully supported by mozilla foundation (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox_OS/Installing_on_a_mobile_device  (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox_OS/Installing_on_a_mobile_device)).
You see you could have it right now and cheap.
It is why I ask for a better product.
Sorry if I am very direct. I understand your reasons but I try to show  You my point of view :)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on December 18, 2013, 02:50:00 AM
@ivanbasel at this time i wait so long for a geeksphone, and samsung is not the company i want to support. i totally understand your arguments and of course it would be better to have full hd. when i first read the specs i was very happy, when they changed i was dissapointed too... but i dont want wait until may or longer only for full hd...
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 18, 2013, 03:15:29 AM
@ivanbasel at this time i wait so long for a geeksphone, and samsung is not the company i want to support. i totally understand your arguments and of course it would be better to have full hd. when i first read the specs i was very happy, when they changed i was dissapointed too... but i dont want wait until may or longer only for full hd...

That is perfectly ok. I was also upset because I accepted to not cancel for the nice specs offered on the revolution. Now that I know that I have still the possibility to cancel, everything is fine. I will wait to have a complete picture. Still nothing is clear. I expect to see a different architecture for the CPU at least.
In the worst case I will opt for a supported device of the mozilla foundation.
I would off course be more happy and proud to own a device that include more innovative characteristics as a geeksphone than a multinational bigger company. The idea of a little company with people that are passionate about technology is very nice. An other reason why I was even more upset about the low screen specs.
But I will wait to have a complete idea. Let's see  :)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on December 18, 2013, 03:41:31 AM
I think Geeksphone would also give you the best, and if full hd is now an option, they had use that.
But their options are also limited, and they would bring a device in january, and wouldnt have the same delay issue like the peak+.
And i hope they give us soon more nice specs and some surprises, and bring a device to be proud of.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 18, 2013, 06:35:18 AM
An other question for GP,  :).
What kind of SIM adapter will have the Revolution?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on December 18, 2013, 07:55:39 AM
An other question for GP,  :).
What kind of SIM adapter will have the Revolution?

Mini-SIM (2FF) is the usual SIM size.... ;)

Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 18, 2013, 08:53:17 AM
An other question for GP,  :).
What kind of SIM adapter will have the Revolution?

Mini-SIM (2FF) is the usual SIM size.... ;)

Thank you  :)
The battery is a very good spec. I guess it allows the device to run more than one day
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Wad on December 20, 2013, 02:41:10 AM
@GP, it would also be interested to know what will be the SAR of the Revolution phone: 0.5 W/kg more or less for example?  :)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on December 20, 2013, 04:04:27 AM
Hi,

More news shortly.... ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on December 20, 2013, 04:39:07 AM
and some pics ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on December 20, 2013, 05:02:33 AM
at last, this is what we'll have in our revolution :)
http://ark.intel.com/fr/products/70101/Intel-Atom-Processor-Z2560-1MB-Cache-1_60-GHz
sounds great for me.

we now need to know more about the RAM, the camera...

for the camera: I know the one of peak is not well recognized by FXOS, so it is impossible to take 5 Mpx photos with. Will it be the same for the revolution?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 20, 2013, 05:23:29 AM
Very interesting  ;)
A question  :D
Will it have a HDMI exit? I am thinking to connect a monitor...
I guess it will have 2 GB of RAM.
I would like to know also the available ssd space, the type of audio chip, the type of glass for the screen.
The dual core Atom sounds very good  :D

I found this that answers my questions: http://download.intel.com/newsroom/kits/mobileworld/2013/pdfs/Intel_Atom_Processors_Brief.pdf  (http://download.intel.com/newsroom/kits/mobileworld/2013/pdfs/Intel_Atom_Processors_Brief.pdf).

It supports HDMI. @GP will you include a HDMI interface on the mini USB port?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on December 20, 2013, 06:39:58 AM
hmmm I w8 for the real News ;)
 what about bluetooth? And at least some pics :)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 20, 2013, 07:41:32 AM
Wow Indians are very fast in commenting the latest news from geeksphone http://www.fonearena.com/blog/91464/geeksphone-revolution-with-intel-atom-z2560-cpu-and-multi-os-support-coming-in-q1-2014.html (http://www.fonearena.com/blog/91464/geeksphone-revolution-with-intel-atom-z2560-cpu-and-multi-os-support-coming-in-q1-2014.html)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 20, 2013, 07:58:49 AM
HDMI to big screen or TV  :D = playing games on the tv  :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW7mu96_wnk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW7mu96_wnk)
I hope the Revolution will have this :)
The dual SGX 544MP2 GPU I think will be very good for gaming  ;D
More on gaming: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asri8e16AE4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asri8e16AE4)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on December 20, 2013, 09:41:41 AM
GP: cnet say that the Revolution has a 8 MP camera, but is this true?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on December 20, 2013, 01:18:15 PM
Now that is interesting (Intel system-on-a-chip optimized for Android). The best of both worlds - run Android on it with Firefox Nightly for Android. I think you can layer Gaia on top of that, but even if you can't, quite a few of the Mozilla Apps run as is on Android Firefox straight from the Marketplace.

I'm thinking it will run Fedora ;-)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on December 20, 2013, 01:34:31 PM
GP: cnet say that the Revolution has a 8 MP camera, but is this true?

Yes.... ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 20, 2013, 01:47:16 PM
Now that is interesting (Intel system-on-a-chip optimized for Android). The best of both worlds - run Android on it with Firefox Nightly for Android. I think you can layer Gaia on top of that, but even if you can't, quite a few of the Mozilla Apps run as is on Android Firefox straight from the Marketplace.

I'm thinking it will run Fedora ;-)

I hope it will run FOs directly.

I think that in 2014 GP will come out also with a tablet using the same chip  :D. I count on it  :D ;D
In my opinion the use of this chip is a good choice that counteract the bad choice of the low resolution screen.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on December 20, 2013, 05:46:16 PM
Now that is interesting (Intel system-on-a-chip optimized for Android). The best of both worlds - run Android on it with Firefox Nightly for Android. I think you can layer Gaia on top of that, but even if you can't, quite a few of the Mozilla Apps run as is on Android Firefox straight from the Marketplace.

I'm thinking it will run Fedora ;-)

I hope it will run FOs directly.

I think that in 2014 GP will come out also with a tablet using the same chip  :D. I count on it  :D ;D
In my opinion the use of this chip is a good choice that counteract the bad choice of the low resolution screen.

Well, given that it has an 8 MP camera and is optimized for Android and that I already have an FxOS device (ZTE Open) I'm probably going to run it Android with Nightly. Frankly, Firefox OS is very much a "work in progress". One of my main use cases, taking a picture and posting it to Twitter, flat out doesn't work on the ZTE Open, even with the latest software built from upstream source.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 21, 2013, 01:14:16 AM
Now that is interesting (Intel system-on-a-chip optimized for Android). The best of both worlds - run Android on it with Firefox Nightly for Android. I think you can layer Gaia on top of that, but even if you can't, quite a few of the Mozilla Apps run as is on Android Firefox straight from the Marketplace.

I'm thinking it will run Fedora ;-)

I hope it will run FOs directly.

I think that in 2014 GP will come out also with a tablet using the same chip  :D. I count on it  :D ;D
In my opinion the use of this chip is a good choice that counteract the bad choice of the low resolution screen.

Well, given that it has an 8 MP camera and is optimized for Android and that I already have an FxOS device (ZTE Open) I'm probably going to run it Android with Nightly. Frankly, Firefox OS is very much a "work in progress". One of my main use cases, taking a picture and posting it to Twitter, flat out doesn't work on the ZTE Open, even with the latest software built from upstream source.

I read that the processor has Hardware Virtualization with VT-x (http://ark.intel.com/Products/VirtualizationTechnology (http://ark.intel.com/Products/VirtualizationTechnology)). Maybe GP is thinking to use virtualisation on the top of android core...
Only speculations  :D
In any case it will be possible to run a free Os. I am running Android without google on my phone and it is also considerably faster than with google on it. In case Firefox Os is not ready I will run the same android without google without problems.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 21, 2013, 01:33:59 AM
This is a link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ6Lg9nvTz4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ6Lg9nvTz4)) showing the gaming on the lenovo k900. This phone is based on the atom Z2580 that is the big brother of our Z2560 processor. The only difference is the frequency that here is 2.0 Ghz and in the Z2560 is 1.6 Ghz. The GPU is exactly the same but clocked at 533 Mhz while in the Z2560 is clocked at 400 Mhz.
The video shows a very good quality in gaming.
I am happy of the choice done by GP.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 21, 2013, 06:37:14 AM
http://m.androidauthority.com/geeksphone-revolution-326602/  (http://m.androidauthority.com/geeksphone-revolution-326602/)

Read the comments about the resolution of the screen...
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on December 22, 2013, 12:07:17 AM

I read that the processor has Hardware Virtualization with VT-x (http://ark.intel.com/Products/VirtualizationTechnology (http://ark.intel.com/Products/VirtualizationTechnology)). Maybe GP is thinking to use virtualisation on the top of android core...
Only speculations  :D
In any case it will be possible to run a free Os. I am running Android without google on my phone and it is also considerably faster than with google on it. In case Firefox Os is not ready I will run the same android without google without problems.

Yeah ... I saw that. I didn't know Atom chips had the VT enabled - I thought they got rid of that to save power. But it's a 32-bit chip - doesn't have the 64-bit operations some of the Atom chips have. There must be something in Android that's using VT or it wouldn't be there.

P.S.: I live in Intel's Oregon 'back yard' - just a few miles from their huge Hillsboro campus. So I have a vested interest in Intel doing well in the phone and tablet space. ;-)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 22, 2013, 01:39:13 AM

I read that the processor has Hardware Virtualization with VT-x (http://ark.intel.com/Products/VirtualizationTechnology (http://ark.intel.com/Products/VirtualizationTechnology)). Maybe GP is thinking to use virtualisation on the top of android core...
Only speculations  :D
In any case it will be possible to run a free Os. I am running Android without google on my phone and it is also considerably faster than with google on it. In case Firefox Os is not ready I will run the same android without google without problems.

Yeah ... I saw that. I didn't know Atom chips had the VT enabled - I thought they got rid of that to save power. But it's a 32-bit chip - doesn't have the 64-bit operations some of the Atom chips have. There must be something in Android that's using VT or it wouldn't be there.

P.S.: I live in Intel's Oregon 'back yard' - just a few miles from their huge Hillsboro campus. So I have a vested interest in Intel doing well in the phone and tablet space. ;-)

Yes only 32 bit. The previous generation supported also 64 bit. In these two days after the GP announcement I read a lot about this CPU. It seems quite good. Very good performances and also low power consumption.
I think Intel will also do good with smartphones. I imagine that in the next years we will see incredible things on this matter. I always dreamed about an ultra portable computer and now smartphones are crossing the boundary between mobile and desktop computing in term of computational power. Only three years ago I was programming on a small acer netbook powered by a single core atom processor 1.6 GHz. It was pretty fast and perfect for my developer needs. But I wanted even a more portable device.
Now the smartphones seem the perfect candidate for this task. They can be docked at home and connected to a normal monitor, a keyboard, mouse, and NAS. It is why I am so interested in the HDMI capabilities of Revolution. I imagine that in the next years on the move we will see the appearance of portable flexible plastic screens. No need any more to have a device with at least a 10 inch screen. A smartphone dimension device will be enough for everything. We will need just to carry with us a foldable screen. Just dreams, but I think that the reality is not so far in time. Let's see  ;D
I am looking forward to know all the characteristics of the Revolution in the meantime. The RAM (I hope is the maximum of 2 Gb), the internal storage, the GPS capabilities, HDMI exit, Bluetooth, type of wireless.
I am still a little bit disappointed about the screen resolution  :(, if it was at least HD it would be a killer phone. I think GP will suffer in term of selling for this problem. I think a big percent of people will think two times before to buy it.
I was thinking that an other reason that GP decided to go with a lower specs screen at the beginning is to just give to the people who ordered the peak+ a fast cheaper (for them) option. So they are not investing too much in this first batch that is for the peak+ people. Probably they will come out with a more expensive Revolution for the others with a better screen (maybe Revolution+ ?). This is my guess.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on December 24, 2013, 03:00:05 AM
Today more information about the Revolution? I hope so...

Christian, regarding your question

We hope to publish full specs before Christmas

It will be in line with flagship devices from other manufacturers, maybe slightly below, but between the 1st and 2nd series of other brands.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 24, 2013, 02:06:20 PM
A Merry Christmas to all the Forum  ;D
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on December 25, 2013, 01:22:28 AM
Merry christmas to everyone  8)


@ Geeksphone:

FULL SPECS!
FULL SPECS!
FULL SPECS!

I mean that would be a REALLY revolutionary christmas present to everyone in this forum :D

Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ifadey on December 26, 2013, 02:45:12 AM
Happy holidays everyone :)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 27, 2013, 09:57:58 AM
I would like to ask a question to GP.

Is the qHD resolution of the screen a final and definitive specification of the Revolution phone?

Also compared to the fact that in 2014 some devices will be QHD (2560 x 1440)!
See for example: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57615880-251/oppo-confirms-2k-display-for-find-7-smartphone/ (http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57615880-251/oppo-confirms-2k-display-for-find-7-smartphone/), or for example: http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/samsung-galaxy-s5-to-come-with-2k-display-alleged-benchmark-listing-reveals-454921 (http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/samsung-galaxy-s5-to-come-with-2k-display-alleged-benchmark-listing-reveals-454921).
Many devices in Q1 2014 will have at least Full HD display and some QHD.
So qHD is not even an entry level.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on December 28, 2013, 10:35:31 AM
My opinion is that i dont need QHD inside a mobilephone. compared to my 11,6" laptopdisplay  which has only 135 ppi or my 24" monitor has only 94 ppi or my 32" tv with only 69ppi and so on . more important i think is the mhl compatibility this would be a must have feature!
happy new year for all ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: karl on December 28, 2013, 11:05:34 AM
I think that qhd is a very poor spec. I would have liked at least HD.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 28, 2013, 11:44:01 AM
I think that qhd is a very poor spec. I would have liked at least HD.

Today I was in a shop and I saw a qHD 4.7 inch phone. I was very upset. Very bad quality, foggy. My old galaxy s looks better.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on December 30, 2013, 03:15:25 AM
A pixel is not always the same, and 1 pixel contain not always 3 colors (subpixels)
http://www.gsmpedia.nl/wp-content/uploads/11x05191529snsd31.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Nexus_one_screen_microscope.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/13/Wiki_dell_lcd.jpg
http://cdn3.pcadvisor.co.uk/cmsdata/reviews/3463235/LG_G2_IPS.jpg
http://files.tested.com/photos/2012/03/16/55-6400-samsung_oled_pentile_matrix_comparison.jpg

qHD can look ok, and can look bad.
But i also think HD would be better for a 4.7 inch display.
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on December 30, 2013, 06:30:31 AM
Christian, regarding your question

We hope to publish full specs before Christmas

It will be in line with flagship devices from other manufacturers, maybe slightly below, but between the 1st and 2nd series of other brands.

Mid januari more news...
http://forum.geeksphone.com/index.php?topic=5797.new;topicseen#new
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: macrodon on December 30, 2013, 07:27:45 AM
If the full specs are available in mid of january, how can there be a delivery in late january??

I thoght that geeksphone learned from the Peak+, but they doesn't seam to be as open as their devices...
It's not just that I think that there must be more information than they give us (even if they aren't confirmed I want to know what is planed...), but also that they said that the full specs
are available before Christmas, and don't publish them without any comment in the international forum...

I hope you will tell us directly when you know about a delay, because if you don't I'am going to lose the rest of my trust in GP,
and will cancel my preorder immediately.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on December 30, 2013, 07:54:02 AM
If the full specs are available in mid of january, how can there be a delivery in late january??

I thoght that geeksphone learned from the Peak+, but they doesn't seam to be as open as their devices...
It's not just that I think that there must be more information than they give us (even if they aren't confirmed I want to know what is planed...), but also that they said that the full specs
are available before Christmas, and don't publish them without any comment in the international forum...

I hope you will tell us directly when you know about a delay, because if you don't I'am going to lose the rest of my trust in GP,
and will cancel my preorder immediately.

First Revolution batch will be shipped at the end of January as preview. MP (Mass Production) will start in 2 weeks.

Happy New Year.... ;)

Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on December 30, 2013, 08:55:15 AM
why you can't show some pics? a pic that shows the design so i can decide to buy, if it looks cool.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on December 30, 2013, 09:05:19 AM
I am sad but I asked to be reimbursed. I understand the reasons of the GP guys (I read the spanish forum where at least they speak more about their philosophy) but I don't agree with them. I think a good screen is a must. It is a visual interactive tool. I will keep one eye on this company that I think is very innovative. But at this point I gave up.
A nice new year to everybody in the forum  :)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 03, 2014, 11:20:15 PM
I thought the Peak+ was canceled
http://shop.geeksphone.com/en/phones/8-peak.html
Now you can buy the Peak+
All preorders are now canceled, switched to the Peak or switched to the Revolution.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 04, 2014, 06:16:39 AM
I thought the Peak+ was canceled
http://shop.geeksphone.com/en/phones/8-peak.html
Now you can buy the Peak+
All preorders are now canceled, switched to the Peak or switched to the Revolution.

Now I am really interested in Geeksphone's statement about this!!!

I'm sorry, but I don't understand Geeksphone's way of business and their way of thinking  :o
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on January 05, 2014, 08:13:45 PM
I thought the Peak+ was canceled
http://shop.geeksphone.com/en/phones/8-peak.html
Now you can buy the Peak+
All preorders are now canceled, switched to the Peak or switched to the Revolution.

Now I am really interested in Geeksphone's statement about this!!!

I'm sorry, but I don't understand Geeksphone's way of business and their way of thinking  :o

Yeah, now I'm confused too. Seems like the Peak, Peak+ and Keon all now have an 'add to cart' button. They *really* really need to get their website together.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 06, 2014, 12:30:24 AM
Or get the Geeksphone team together.
Hope they have a good explanation for this.

People that would have an Peak+ already have pick an alternative (money back, old Peak or waiting for Revolution)
Geeksphone: please be more open and surprise us with Geek phones, not surprise us with this weird action, you will lose your fans with things like this!
If the Peak+ is now available, please inform the people that had preorderd the Peak+ about this.
Not that we would have a Peak+ and not a Revolution, but we first had heard from you the Peak+ is canceled.

If it is a mistake on the webshop, please let us know on the forum.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: plop on January 06, 2014, 03:15:10 AM
If it is a mistake on the webshop, please let us know on the forum.

I hope.
Either it's a mistake, or it's a very, very bad joke and i will cancel my order.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on January 06, 2014, 09:10:11 AM
Hi,

I don't understand your doubt, Peak+ project was cancelled and all buyers were informed last November.

Thank you.... ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: soupytwist on January 06, 2014, 09:38:23 AM
I thought the Peak+ was canceled
http://shop.geeksphone.com/en/phones/8-peak.html
Now you can buy the Peak+
All preorders are now canceled, switched to the Peak or switched to the Revolution.

Rodrigo,
Starting this past weekend the Peak+ was listed in GP's online store as being available for purchase. Very confusing. From your response I take it that this was a mistake?

Thanks
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: lepetitclement on January 06, 2014, 09:46:25 AM
Hi,

I don't understand your doubt, Peak+ project was cancelled and all buyers were informed last November.

Thank you.... ;)

Okay, this gotta be a joke! Where is the problem to say that there was a problem with the shop, or that it was a mistake. We all saw the Peak+ listed, ready to ship. And now you're pretending, that there was nothing at all?

Also we are still waiting for the full specs we where promised. So long there are no high-end specs at all!
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on January 06, 2014, 11:27:12 AM
@rodrigo we are doubt cause you say Peak+ project was cancelled and since a few days we can add it to cart in the shop again. Thats very  confuse. and i'm dissapointed about your transparency and inability to give us information about the specs.
greets
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on January 06, 2014, 01:32:08 PM
@rodrigo we are doubt cause you say Peak+ project was cancelled and since a few days we can add it to cart in the shop again. Thats very  confuse. and i'm dissapointed about your transparency and inability to give us information about the specs.
greets

Ok, sorry for the trouble. I will ask to Shop Team to delete Peak+ definitely from shop.geeksphone.

More news about Revolution asap.... ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on January 06, 2014, 02:34:28 PM
@rodrigo That took some doing. thx.  ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 06, 2014, 10:44:19 PM
@rodrigo thx
The product was visible again, and every link on the site/shop to book a phone was refering to the Peak+
Please check http://shop.geeksphone.com/en/ and you see still the link to the Peak+ (the product is gone, but the link is unchanged)
Is it weird that we are confused?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: macrodon on January 07, 2014, 01:55:22 AM

First Revolution batch will be shipped at the end of January as preview. MP (Mass Production) will start in 2 weeks.

Happy New Year.... ;)

I don't want to ask this again, but I feel very uninformed last days. If you want to start the Mass Production in 6 Days, how can it be possible that you cant confirm such things as RAM, conectivity (3g, and wlan), will the screen will be protected with gorilla glass, what about an hdmi exit, what about bluetooh (i hope its not a question that it will support 4.0) , NFC, what type of qHD screen, internal storage, flash led, front camera, foto resolution, 3,5 mm headphone (according to the only picture it seems to have one), what OS will be default or will there be two different versions with FFOS and android, some pictures (even if they are just drafts!!!), and so on.

Some things you mentioned in the forum but never announced officially in you blog.

You could have used all this to post an update every few days and not only once a week or less...

I'm sorry but i don't trust you anymore when you say that it will be delivered in January.
I could tolerate an delay, but not with such a bad information situation. And think back to the Peak+, you can't ensure that there won't be a delay one day before the delivery date...
So you are playing with fire...

I think there will be a delay or you don't give us information asap.

By the way, that the phone won't have a specific feature is an information as well...

All this are just my thoughts about the situation, but I don't think that I'm the only one
thinking like that.

greetings
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: chrisphl on January 07, 2014, 02:26:42 AM
All this are just my thoughts about the situation, but I don't think that I'm the only one
thinking like that.
I'm pretty sure, you aren't the only one... ;-) You really really speak from my heart! All these specs you called should be close to clear at the point of the first announcement in the late November of 2013. They do _not_ want to give any information as long as they are not confirmed, that's the reason why there's no update for a long time at http://geeksphone.tumblr.com. Geeksphone even does not seem to feel the heat in their hands your talking about in your previous post. It's a shame, shame on you, GP for this disgusting PR-policy! In spite of coming around the corner with any information Rodrigo takes us for a fool:
I don't understand your doubt, Peak+ project was cancelled and all buyers were informed last November.
Rodrigo, this is not your mom you're talking to, this is the audience that supports your company! (At the moment at least. But I feel you're loosing the very last bit of trust you're owning.)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: macrodon on January 07, 2014, 02:39:18 AM
They do _not_ want to give any information as long as they are not confirmed, that's the reason why there's no update for a long time at http://geeksphone.tumblr.com.

I thoght the same way, but on the other hand they announced a fullHD display and reverted it, so it couldn't be that confirmed.
And features that they don't want to implemend doesn't need any confimation.

To GP:

Just in case that you think that the people criticized you because you reverted an information.
They only criticized that a qHD screen isn't a high end spec, and would also have criticized it if you didn't announced the fullHD before. The people WANT to know every thought of you, even if you can't guarantee that it will be implemented....
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: lepetitclement on January 07, 2014, 02:44:59 AM
Another question that comes to my mind:
I want to decide whether I'll cancel my order when I know all informations about the phone. But how much time will I have to decide?
After they received there first "preview" batch at the end of January? Or is this preview batch already planed for the end user?

My point is, that I don't want to get all the specs and two days later the shipping confirmation. I want some time to decide. That's why I want the full specs as soon as possible.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: macrodon on January 07, 2014, 03:14:43 AM
After they received there first "preview" batch at the end of January? Or is this preview batch already planed for the end user?

A very good question that i didn't thought about before. Does "We are working to have Revolution’s first batch late January" mean that all the people that pre ordered the revolution (and are waiting now for over half a year) are getting their phones at the end of January, or is this just a phrase that you can tell us at the and of January "we just tell you about the first batch, you have to wait until march to get one"
Its sad that I'm starting to believe that that could be true, but I'm loosing the rest of my trust in you guys, and the only thing you could do, is starting answering question, or give a really really good reason why you don't.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on January 07, 2014, 03:49:33 AM
Hello,

Revolution first batch is for all users.

We are waiting for a huge demand of Revolution.

Of course users with Peak+ preorders have priority in time and price.

Geeksphone Comunication team prepares all announcements, so we need to wait.

Thank you for your patience... ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on January 07, 2014, 10:48:43 AM
Geeksphone Comunication team? sounds great, but it seems that this Team have to learn how to communicate.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: macrodon on January 07, 2014, 02:59:18 PM
Hello,

Revolution first batch is for all users.

We are waiting for a huge demand of Revolution.

Of course users with Peak+ preorders have priority in time and price.

at least one worry less.

Geeksphone Comunication team prepares all announcements, so we need to wait.

Hm, does this "Comunication team" read the forum, i.e. do they know that we are all
at the end of one's rope, because of their Comunication policy.
That would explain the lack of response to the really important questions in the forum....
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 08, 2014, 06:38:29 AM
How many of you believe in the "Geeksphone Communication Team" ? - I don't believe in Santa Claus  ;)

Well it really is a shame that the full specs are not available yet - day after day I'm feeling more frustrated  :-[

I don't believe that we will get the best WLAN modules or something like Bluetooth 4.0 - I think that most of the hardware of the cancelled Peak+ project will be part of the REVOLUTION --> I mean, they bought all these components so they will use it...  ::)

1. I want photos of the REVOLUTION
2. I want full SPECS - detailed information about hardware inside
3. I want information about the FIREFOX OS VERSION (1.3 ?)
4. I want to know what happened to the promised 25 GB OF FREE CLOUD EXPERIENCE which were promised with the PEAK+ - hope you guys didn't forget  ;)
http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/15/geeksphone-peak-plus/ (http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/15/geeksphone-peak-plus/)
5. I DON'T want anymore delays

Geeksphone, don't treat us as stepsons and stepdaugthers - We are sick of waiting and of begging for information!!!  >:(


~* ~* ~* AND... if there is someone in this forum which feels being responsible for "Geeksphone Communication Team" then please don't hesitate to answer our questions *~ *~ *~

Thank you  >:(
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: macrodon on January 08, 2014, 07:40:55 AM
I'am really    disappointed about the whole situation, and that we get ignored from gp. I spend 200€ on a device that i thoght i get in september, and now i feel kidded.
I'm just thinking of calnceling my preorder even if the end of january is near, because I don't believe in the ability of GP to support such a phone anymore.
What about the others in the forum here? are you thinking of canceling too?
If yes what about a community "Revolution", like "all information you have or we cancle our preorder on Tuesday".

And to GP:
If you think, that you are just loosing people who spend less because they preorderd, think of how new customers would    evaluate this situation.....

You can't do everything you want with us!!!! We are patient but we are waiting for to long, so don't play with us!
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Wad on January 08, 2014, 09:09:36 AM
1. I want photos of the REVOLUTION
2. I want full SPECS - detailed information about hardware inside
3. I want information about the FIREFOX OS VERSION (1.3 ?)
4. I want to know what happened to the promised 25 GB OF FREE CLOUD EXPERIENCE which were promised with the PEAK+ - hope you guys didn't forget  ;)
http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/15/geeksphone-peak-plus/ (http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/15/geeksphone-peak-plus/)
5. I DON'T want anymore delays

Geeksphone, don't treat us as stepsons and stepdaugthers - We are sick of waiting and of begging for information!!!  >:(

The same, it is just unbelievable. I mean how is it possible to say:
MP (Mass Production) will start in 2 weeks.
and to not put more informations even full specs? It's weird.

More important, it was said that we should get updates about the phone every week. Last week was special for everyone (new year...) but not this week so I hope we will get full specs and pictures this week.

~* ~* ~* For "Geeksphone Communication Team", it's time to start communication about the Revolution! *~ *~ *~
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 08, 2014, 09:19:25 AM
Indeed, we see no updates on tumblr, every week we should have an update with more specs
first it was christmas that we get full specs
now we get all specs mid january? and mass production will start also mid january?
I know Spanish people always say "mañana mañana", but we are waiting a long time now.
So i hope we get this week more (all) details...
Are there still a lot uncertainties?
I hope they will have all specs before mass production ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on January 08, 2014, 09:20:38 AM
@bada3.0: thumbs up!
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: lepetitclement on January 08, 2014, 09:27:51 AM
What about the others in the forum here? are you thinking of canceling too?
I'm just a little push away from canceling adn to go for a Jolla Phone. It may be more expensive, but they seem to have pretty good start with their phone AND with their community. sailfishOS is still in beta status, but it's developing very fast and their community is indeed very active.
And a big advantage for me is, that you get a full linux system. You can screw around with the bash and play with the underlaying system. They use systemd and btrfs as a file system and so on.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: soupytwist on January 08, 2014, 12:05:13 PM
This situation is seeming really familiar to Peak+...

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. I hope Geekpshone will be honest with us as I really do want to support freedom and innovation.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 08, 2014, 02:36:25 PM
Geeksphone also tells us that there is a great demand from people who did not ask for peak+ and are now waiting for revolution phone. I'm talking about the people who really ordered the REVOLUTION phone, the people who didn't order The peak+ before.

I can't imagine that there are sooo many of them as geeksphone wants us to believe!

I mean, would you buy / preorder something where you do not know The full specs? I wouldn't - in this case I'm tolerating this situation because geeksphone promised that I will get a better phone than The peak+ FOR THE SAME MONEY. so that's ok for me.

lets talk about jolla phone: they also offered a preorder - BUT they also released The full specs when they started the preorder  ;)

first I thought that geeksphone wants to "tease" us - like a marketing strategy for collecting new potential clients, for staying in the media week by week. but in my opinion its enough for now.

those tactics can be useful for new and potential clients but its annoying for those of us who are waiting for months!

 in our case thats not a strategy, it's a tragedy :-(

Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on January 08, 2014, 02:53:57 PM
Hello.

Next Friday, more news. Thank you.... ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 08, 2014, 04:46:00 PM
Friday more news means hopefully ALL news...

ok, 2 days remaining - we "stay tuned" ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Nils Holgersson on January 08, 2014, 11:27:09 PM
Good things take time to ripen.
Looking forward to seeing the Revolution.
Good job, GP team.

-----------------
GP Keon, running very nicely
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: macrodon on January 09, 2014, 03:42:48 AM
Hello.

Next Friday, more news. Thank you.... ;)

This is a joke isn't it??
You know that we are all waiting because YOU canceld the Peak+!
And  now we know that there must news or a delay (because you wanted to start the MP on monday).

Its a shame that you can't react to the situation here in the forum and give us just some Information today. And don't tell me thats so hard work to write a one sentence Blog enty, like the otherones....
Title: Re: We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 09, 2014, 04:25:27 AM
Go on page 5 of this thread and you will read the following:

Few thinks:

The idea isn't a dual boot. Is Android or FFOS.

We are serving now thousands of request about orders.

We will have annoucement 2 times per week about Revolution.

The request for Revolution are crazy, but of course Peak+ preorder have priority.... ;)

2 TIMES PER WEEK!!!  ::)


Promises are not your strength Geeksphone, huh  ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 09, 2014, 04:46:18 AM
And  now we know that there must news or a delay (because you wanted to start the MP on monday).
meaby they have some issues to solve before mp, and they hope to fix that this week, and after that they hope to start the mp.
If that is the issue, they wait with the news so we cannot say you say that the phone gat x and now  you use y.
Like the screen resolution, first they had say if would be full HD, and now it is just qHD.

Its a shame that you can't react to the situation here in the forum and give us just some Information today.
Tomorrow you hear more, only 1 day to wait... (i hope)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on January 09, 2014, 11:45:23 AM
meaby they have some issues to solve before mp, and they hope to fix that this week, and after that they hope to start the mp.
If that is the issue, they wait with the news so we cannot say you say that the phone gat x and now  you use y.
Like the screen resolution, first they had say if would be full HD, and now it is just qHD.

yeah, but at the beginning, the deal was:
- do not redo what happened with peak+
- inform us as soon as possible for everything (roadmap... maybe GP don't understand what a roadmap is...)
- even if there are changes, we want to know what is planned, and why there are changes

so, taking the resolution as an example:
- they told us that they plan to put full HD - GOOD
- they told us that there were some problems, so qHD - GOOD (well, people prefers HD, but the communication was good)
- they changed the resolution without a word, and we had to claim for explanation to know why the resolution changed - VERY BAD

now, if we look at what is happening:
- we don't know what is planned - BAD
- we don't know why there is late in the publication of the specs - BAD
- we claim for explanation, and we don't have any - VERY BAD
we are exactly in the same position as we were with peak+. IF there are some delays for a component, GP MUST TELL US ASAP. clearly, it is not the case...

be warned GP: communication is everything. we wanted open roadmap, you promised, you failed.
be warned GP: be very careful with your announcement of tomorrow...


edit: 3 lists of 3 points each. *this* is perfection ;D
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: macrodon on January 09, 2014, 01:26:16 PM

be warned GP: be very careful with your announcement of tomorrow...

I really would like to own the free phone revolution, but i made a decision:

If tomorrow there aren't the full specs, or the plans of the full specs i will cancle my preorder.

I will buy a not so free Alcatel One Touch Fire, to support the development of FFOS, and wait for another company that develops open phones with open development.

I'm really sad about the whole situation, and even if there are the full specs tomorrow I will be desperately disappointed about GP forever, and will never preorder another device here again.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: lepetitclement on January 09, 2014, 10:53:54 PM
I really would like to own the free phone revolution, but i made a decision:

If tomorrow there aren't the full specs, or the plans of the full specs i will cancle my preorder.

+1
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Assimilationstheorie on January 09, 2014, 11:06:35 PM
+1
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 10, 2014, 01:43:00 AM
INFORMATION !
INFORMATION !
INFORMATION !
INFORMATION !
INFORMATION !
INFORMATION is all we want!

and, yes, I also think about cancelling my preorder, if we don't get the information we are begging for!  :(
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on January 10, 2014, 02:30:09 AM
Dear all,

In a moment we will show our confirmed new MultiOS Keyboard.

Next Monday we will publish Revolution form factor.

To help in your decision, I could try to answer here during next hour, your requests.

Thank you..... ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 10, 2014, 02:48:00 AM
In a moment we will show our confirmed new MultiOS Keyboard.
Nice, i'm curious

Next Monday we will publish Revolution form factor.
o no, mañana mañana mañana

To help us in your decision, I could try to answer here during next hour, your requests.
Rodrigo, please check the posts of last days, there are a lot of questions

e.g.
ram
4g
wlan type
glass type
nfc
ffos version
android version
internal storage
microSD
flash led
hdmi
bluetooth
pictures
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 10, 2014, 02:52:45 AM

To help in your decision, I could try to answer here during next hour, your requests.

Thank you..... ;)

Nice Rodrigo, that's the first step on the right way  ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: caprican on January 10, 2014, 02:59:16 AM
So I don't understand the multi OS thing :

We have to chose Android or Firefox OS before Revolution sending ?

Or we have both Android and Firefox in multi ROM (dual boot) ?

To me, I'm only interested in Firefox OS.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on January 10, 2014, 03:03:18 AM



e.g.
ram 1Gb
4g   No
wlan type
glass type
nfc No
ffos version
android version
internal storage Yes
microSD  Yes
flash led  Yes
hdmi       No
bluetooth Yes
pictures
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on January 10, 2014, 03:05:57 AM
So I don't understand the multi OS thing :

We have to chose Android or Firefox OS before Revolution sending ?

Or we have both Android and Firefox in multi ROM (dual boot) ?

To me, I'm only interested in Firefox OS.

You can have Android or FFOS in Muti ROM.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 10, 2014, 03:12:02 AM



e.g.
ram 1Gb
4g   No
wlan type
glass type
nfc No
ffos version
android version
internal storage Yes
microSD  Yes
flash led  Yes
hdmi       No
bluetooth Yes
pictures


Could you please specify your answers?

for example:

bluetooth, YES --> Bluetooth 4.0
internal storage, YES --> 4 GB
external storage, YES ---> ...


and: what happened to the 25 GB free Cloud Storage as you mentioned when you wanted to release the Peak+?  Do we also get those with the Revolution?

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/15/geeksphone-peak-plus/ (http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/15/geeksphone-peak-plus/)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: caprican on January 10, 2014, 03:13:11 AM
Thanks

So 1g of ram, I was expected 2g

And can we deleted Android in the phone (I don't want Google things in my phone and I'm not developer) ?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 10, 2014, 03:20:24 AM
e.g.
ram 1Gb
4g   No
wlan type ?
glass type ?
nfc No
ffos version ?
android version ?
internal storage Yes
microSD  Yes
flash led  Yes
hdmi       No
bluetooth Yes
pictures monday?

thanks a lot

but can you say how much internal storage, e.g. 8GB
and e.g. define more details like Bluetooth 4.0
and do you know if the Revolutions gets strong glass like e.g. gorilla glass?
and free cloud storage? and sync data from firefox os to the cloud storage?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 10, 2014, 03:22:48 AM
Thanks

So 1g of ram, I was expected 2g

And can we deleted Android in the phone (I don't want Google things in my phone and I'm not developer) ?

Same with me, I'm a bit disappointed, 1 GB is not very revolutionary  :(

I also don't want Android on my phone.


-Version of Firefox OS = 1.3 ???
-Do we get the Revolution with a micro SD and what is the maximum which is supported by your phone? 32 GB or 64 GB micro SD cards?
- does WLAN support all the common standards? --> a,b,g,n ?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on January 10, 2014, 03:25:57 AM



e.g.
ram 1Gb
4g   No
wlan type
glass type
nfc No
ffos version
android version
internal storage Yes
microSD  Yes
flash led  Yes
hdmi       No
bluetooth Yes
pictures


Could you please specify your answers?

for example:

bluetooth, YES --> Bluetooth 4.0 v3.0 with A2DP
internal storage, YES --> 4 GB Yes
external storage, YES ---> ... MicroSD up to 32Gb


and: what happened to the 25 GB free Cloud Storage as you mentioned when you wanted to release the Peak+?  Do we also get those with the Revolution?

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/15/geeksphone-peak-plus/ (http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/15/geeksphone-peak-plus/)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on January 10, 2014, 03:34:05 AM
Thanks

So 1g of ram, I was expected 2g

And can we deleted Android in the phone (I don't want Google things in my phone and I'm not developer) ?

Same with me, I'm a bit disappointed, 1 GB is not very revolutionary  :(

I also don't want Android on my phone.


-Version of Firefox OS = 1.3 ???
-Do we get the Revolution with a micro SD and what is the maximum which is supported by your phone? 32 GB or 64 GB micro SD cards?
- does WLAN support all the common standards? --> a,b,g,n ?

No problem to have only FFOS or Android without GApps.

WiFi is a,b,g,n.

Dear Bada3.0,

Next week we will announce Blackphone project, (first time I talk about that) i'm sure you will love it..... ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 10, 2014, 03:46:48 AM

Dear Bada3.0,

Next week we will announce Blackphone project, (first time I talk about that) i'm sure you will love it..... ;)


Another phone? YET?
Oh Geeksphone^^, I don't understand your philosophy but I hope you know what you're doing  ::)

Well, I think I will stick to the Revolution phone - In the last 5 months I felt like a child waiting for christmas  ;D Anticipation is a nice feeling, but I really want to have a new mobile phone now  ;)

Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Forza21 on January 10, 2014, 03:49:55 AM
Why only 1 GB RAM?

I mean, it is enough for a smartphone today, but I read here some weeks ago that GP Revolution was having 2 GB, and some blogs posted about that. I don't understand how communications work in Geeksphone.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 10, 2014, 03:54:24 AM
Well, rodrigo didn't confirm this to be honest

He said this as an example, I clearly remember! And it's not his guilt that everybody posts that on heise, spiegel, and all the other internet newspapers and blogs.

I don't like it very much and I also expected 2 GB but it was never officially confirmed  :-X
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 10, 2014, 03:56:39 AM
I think the Revolution hasnt the high specs (qhd, 1gb ram, etc.) because they would sell the Blackphone as a high(er) end model.
The Revolution is just 149 euro for the Peak+ preorders, and know we wait a long time to for the Peak+, so they now to bring the Revolution quick and cheap.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on January 10, 2014, 04:02:09 AM

Dear Bada3.0,

Next week we will announce Blackphone project, (first time I talk about that) i'm sure you will love it..... ;)


Another phone? YET?
Oh Geeksphone^^, I don't understand your philosophy but I hope you know what you're doing  ::)

Well, I think I will stick to the Revolution phone - In the last 5 months I felt like a child waiting for christmas  ;D Anticipation is a nice feeling, but I really want to have a new mobile phone now  ;)

Thanks for your support, sure you will have your Revolution soon.

To help to understand, Autumn 2013 was a complete disappointment in Geeksphone, because we cancel Peak+ project due to circumstances beyond our control.

But 2014 will be amazing..... ;)
   
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Forza21 on January 10, 2014, 04:04:22 AM
Well, rodrigo didn't confirm this to be honest

He said this as an example, I clearly remember! And it's not his guilt that everybody posts that on heise, spiegel, and all the other internet newspapers and blogs.

I don't like it very much and I also expected 2 GB but it was never officially confirmed  :-X
They said that the GP Revolution exchange was "representing near 50% discount for those choosing this option". If it has only 1GB RAM and qHD screen... does it represent such discount at all? Which will be the regular price?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 10, 2014, 04:26:45 AM
It has an better cpu, but indeed the same ram and screen resolution
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: greguu on January 10, 2014, 04:36:13 AM

In a moment we will show our confirmed new MultiOS Keyboard.

Hardware keyboard I assume ? That would be interesting.

Regarding all the other people who are waiting for full specs and pictures..
I agree,  this is totally unacceptable. GF has to get their act together and provide facts !
They will loose total credibility if they don't show facts soon and any further project (Blackphone etc ) will be doomed from the beginning.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: macrodon on January 10, 2014, 04:38:01 AM
Well the infomation that we get are nice, but far away from full Specs.
And the announcement of a new Phone that is sooooo much better reminds me of the Peak+.
You want to start mp next weak and you don't publish things as screen protection or a picture..
Due to the picture on the multiOS KEyboard(wich is a joke as information after so long time of silence) you have a prototype from that you can take pictures....

And due to the fact that we must beg for every information, i stay to my decision to cancle my preorder at midnight if you don't tell us every detail YOU know about the revolution. I'm tired of asking questions that noody answers, that chance you had serverel times before...

edit:

In a moment we will show our confirmed new MultiOS Keyboard.
Hardware keyboard I assume ? That would be interesting.

due to the picture in the blog I think it just mentions the two hardware buttons from android.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on January 10, 2014, 04:47:12 AM
@gp communication team your information politic is a great dissapointment. 
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 10, 2014, 04:51:33 AM
i think the multi os keyboard means:
the (hardware) buttons on the phone, like the home button, works on both operation systems
http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/post/72859599360/multios-keyboard
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: greguu on January 10, 2014, 05:14:18 AM
The picture on the blog is just an illustration. Two weeks before mass production ? Are we all victims of vaporware ?
Well, yes we have been with the Peak+ and now history seems to repeat is self. Revolution not even released,
no full specs and already another product announced ? What discount will we get on the Blackphone ?   ;)


Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 10, 2014, 05:18:21 AM
@ Rodrigo: Could you please offer us a PDF File where ALL discussed details and information are collected?

PDF file was just an example, but something like this description:

http://www.inside-handy.de/handys/samsung_wave-ii_s8530/2321_allgemein.html (http://www.inside-handy.de/handys/samsung_wave-ii_s8530/2321_allgemein.html)

and of course pictures of the mobilephone we ALREADY payed for  ::)

regular price would be interesting^^
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Assimilationstheorie on January 10, 2014, 05:24:34 AM
WTF IS "MultiOs Keyboard"??
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: karl on January 10, 2014, 05:33:06 AM
WTF IS "MultiOs Keyboard"??
It Is designed for Android and Firefox.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Assimilationstheorie on January 10, 2014, 05:35:25 AM
No Informations? No pics? Only "design for Android and Firefox"? Come on...

Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 10, 2014, 05:40:28 AM
In a moment we will show our confirmed new MultiOS Keyboard.

What is special about this?
Can you explain more about this?
Was this hard to do for both operation systems?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: caprican on January 10, 2014, 05:43:21 AM
Look the tumbler: http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/post/72859599360/multios-keyboard


This is bad. If we don't use android it's useless

Why have you decided to produce an Android/Firefox dual boot phone ?
I prefer to choose an Android phone or an Firefox phone but not both at the same time.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 10, 2014, 05:44:19 AM
it seems like they don't have yet a "guide book" or something - because then Rodrigo could easily read out all the necessary facts we want to hear! ;)

Maybe it's not yet printed or something like that  :D

It looks like Rodrigo reads our questions, then runs down the stairs to the Communication Team (which plays Solitaire at the moment :D ), gets a short answer, then runs up the stairs again and types in the answers here in the forum  ;D



Geeksphone will finish the phone at the last moment before shipping  ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Assimilationstheorie on January 10, 2014, 05:46:26 AM
Android on Geeksphone? No rly. :D FirefoxOS is the only motivation buy Revolution. :)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: greguu on January 10, 2014, 05:49:45 AM
In a moment we will show our confirmed new MultiOS Keyboard.

What is special about this?
Can you explain more about this?
Was this hard to do for both operation systems?

I was wondering the same. It is just some hardware buttons like any other phone.
Obviously just made up quickly in some paint software to feed us some "news".
There is clearly no design feature here, let alone a MultiOS feature. ;(

Prototype photos ? OS specifications ? What B2G Version ? Android Version ?


Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 10, 2014, 05:53:10 AM

Why have you decided to produce an Android/Firefox dual boot phone ?


More potential clients is the key  ;)

As an ANDROID user you can easily try out the Firefox OS (if you are interested in) without buying a second mobile phone or using an old phone where firefox os is not ported very well.

As an FIREFOX OS user you can also change to Android, if firefox os is an disappointment for you and you want to use famous apps like WhatsApp, ChatOn, Kakaotalk and so which are not (yet) available for Firefox OS

MultiOS phone = "experiment with backup"
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 10, 2014, 05:55:21 AM
It looks like Rodrigo reads our questions, then runs down the stairs to the Communication Team (which plays Solitaire at the moment :D ), gets a short answer, then runs up the stairs again and types in the answers here in the forum  ;D

indeed  :D
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: greguu on January 10, 2014, 06:07:24 AM

We are waiting for a huge demand of Revolution.


This means to me that there is not a huge demand in the Revolution right now.
It is probably just us few here in the forum who had a Peak+ on pre-order.

"Waiting" does not sound good to me. We have waited long enough.



Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 10, 2014, 06:13:35 AM
Guys, do you think that we will get any further information or pictures or is it over for today?  8)

I was really looking forward to see pictures of the product I already paid today  :-[

Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: greguu on January 10, 2014, 06:21:58 AM
There seems to be no mentioning of the Revolution phone on the main website any more.

I want to see pictures of the Blackphone and full specs and some blog that keeps me entertained :)

Seriously, how many of us still believe there will be actually a release of the revolution ?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 10, 2014, 06:26:55 AM
What is the news we get monday?
It is always mañana :(
Let's set up a poll what you expect to hear and see monday ;)
Do we get monday more news about the Revolution, or about the Blackphone?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Assimilationstheorie on January 10, 2014, 06:30:36 AM
First Firday...now Monday. THATS ENOUGH! I wait 3 Months for Peak+...and then? NOTHING...now the "Revolution"...

Give us the fucking spec and pics...
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: greguu on January 10, 2014, 06:45:27 AM
Remember when there was the announcement of big news regarding the Peak+ ?
The next day we were told about the Revolution and that the Peak+ was cancelled.
 
Seriously, after all this, what do we expect to hear on Monday ?
That we get a discount on the Blackphone ?

Wake up! Make your demands ! Poll !
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on January 10, 2014, 07:22:32 AM
i can't believe that they fool us, but it is hard to believe that they don't do so...
@gp @javier pls be honest, say if there is any problem. stop fool us with new products and Show some pics or give us a good reason why you can't do!
 
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 10, 2014, 07:30:32 AM
http://poll.pollcode.com/7311483 ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: greguu on January 10, 2014, 07:37:27 AM
http://poll.pollcode.com/7311483 ;)
Thanks for the poll !!

It is now time to participate ! Go!
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on January 10, 2014, 07:38:53 AM
http://poll.pollcode.com/7311483 ;)

+1 ;D
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: per48a on January 10, 2014, 07:42:37 AM
http://poll.pollcode.com/7311483 ;)

GREAT! ;D

The first alternative is rather needless....
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: soupytwist on January 10, 2014, 07:45:39 AM
http://poll.pollcode.com/7311483 ;)

News we want or news we expect?  ;)

I think above all else we on the forum want to know that GP is actually still going to mass produce the phone this month (or a more precise date). The demand for specs/pics will prove that Geeksphone really is on track- it's not likely that they will start MP without the full specs... We are all Peak+ victims and we need some reassurance!

Also, mentinoing a new phone at this time is a very uninspiring move- finish what you started!
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 10, 2014, 08:26:50 AM
The first alternative is rather needless....

first = i'm Rodrigo ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: soupytwist on January 10, 2014, 08:55:06 AM
Next Monday we will publish Revolution form factor.

Isn't this already published on the tumblr anyway?
http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/post/70202081891/dimension

Am I missing something?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Wad on January 10, 2014, 09:39:22 AM
http://poll.pollcode.com/7311483 ;)
Thanks for the poll ;)

In my opinion, the only interest of geeksphone is FFOS not android, I don't see the interest of the Multi Os keyboard. For me, it isn't the news we all expect so monday will be the last day.

If monday, we get nothing more than just a 1/4 picture of the phone, it will be a huge shame for all of us and I will seriously consider to cancel my order. I'm sick of waiting to get only a half news (the possibility of multi os was already stated before).

I have patience but I don't like the impression of being fooled (I hope I make a mistake!) >:(
I hope to have a very good surprise on monday!
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: per48a on January 10, 2014, 10:03:39 AM
The first alternative is rather needless....

first = i'm Rodrigo ;)

As we can see, at least Javier and Rodrigo are still confident - or who else would have voted for the 1st alternative?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: macrodon on January 10, 2014, 03:25:31 PM
After this day with the only official information, that the phone will have the android hw buttuons (wicht is quite clear if you build an android enabled device) and just some questions that are answered with minimal statements after serverel times of request, I made the decision that geeksphone isn't the company that I want to go with. I canceld my preorder and ordered an Alcatel One Touch Fire to support FFOS, while I wait for another company that develops open phones with open development.

I don't want to tell GP all the reasons of my cancelation, if you want to know them read my last posts, in short I am deeply disappointed.

I wish that all others that stay with GP won't get fooled and will get their revolution in near future. At this point i can't do more than say "Good luck!".

And to those that decide to cancel too:
Does anyone know about another company that develops open FFOS phones? Maybe we will see each other again in another forum.

I'm really sad that I have to say goodbye.

regards

Macrodon

Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 10, 2014, 03:57:07 PM
don't do that macrodon! imagine that you won't find any other company which will sell you a phone for that price. Alcatel one touch fire costs about 100 € in Germany. even if you would have get The peak+ with slower processor for 150€ it is ok for that price - otherwise you wouldn't have ordered it ;)
what I can yell you about geeksphone is that The support their products very very  long with software updates. when you buy now an Alcatel phone - do you really think that you will get firefox os 2.0??? I don' think so because it is a low end phone.
this is The only reason why I stick to geeksphone - they love their products and they support them as long as they can
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: macrodon on January 10, 2014, 04:34:41 PM
don't do that macrodon! imagine that you won't find any other company which will sell you a phone for that price. Alcatel one touch fire costs about 100 € in Germany. even if you would have get The peak+ with slower processor for 150€ it is ok for that price - otherwise you wouldn't have ordered it ;)
what I can yell you about geeksphone is that The support their products very very  long with software updates. when you buy now an Alcatel phone - do you really think that you will get firefox os 2.0??? I don' think so because it is a low end phone.
this is The only reason why I stick to geeksphone - they love their products and they support them as long as they can

I really didn't want to cancle but at this point I want to make clear to GP that their behavior is unforgivable...
And I know that the Alcatel one touch fire isnt that open and good in support like GP, but GP will never learn from their mistakes if nobody punishs them. And after they dont care about criticism in the forum this is only way.
And even If there will be no other company in the near future I learnd to wait. If I can waif over half a year for a device I paid for, I can wait much longer for one that I didn't paid for.
If there wont be such a company then maybe GP learnd from their mistakes, and I will check this forum about that.
So maybe MAYBE I will buy my next FFOS Device in a few years from GP.

I gave them a chance after the Peak+, and i gave them so often another after they ignored our questions. I have enough.
And to biggest point is that i don't belive that GP can produce a device and get them from china to spain in 2 weeks. And I think they lie to us when they say they will deliver in January.
And than the mysterios Blackphone... does nobody gets remind to Peak+?
Its just enough maybe its a mistake from me, but I cant tolerat that anymore...

edit:
And the price of the peak+ was 180€ incl tax, so the revolution would cost 360€... and with the specs that they announced I woulnd spend more than 250, and thats just because of they develop an open phone. so the promise that we get a phone that is 2 times better then the peak+ was a lie too.. in fact up to now only the cpu seams better....
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on January 10, 2014, 09:00:44 PM
Does anyone know about another company that develops open FFOS phones? Maybe we will see each other again in another forum.

I've got a ZTE Open (US eBay version). It's a nice little phone for $80US, but you have to do a bit of hacking to 'open' it. ZTE ships system updates as ZIP archives; they just got around to 1.1 while Mozilla has released 1.2 and is close to releasing 1.3.

I'm holding on for the Revolution, but I will probably run Android on it, since
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: lepetitclement on January 11, 2014, 12:53:28 AM
I just canceled my order.
I'm tired of getting fooled! That communication happened yesterday was a complete disaster in my opinion.
Only comments on posts made of normal forum members and one or two sentences written down...
And then there are the specs.
None of the specs are "high end" as stated by GP. They are just trying to fool us.
Then there is the screen resolution. I think I would be fine with a good qHD screen, but:
- first GP announced a full HD screen and I think they were proud of that.
- then they couldn't realize it (which is fine)
- but then they wrote in the Spanish forum things like: "qHD is much better because of the compatibility between different OSs...bla bla bla
http://forum.geeksphone.com/index.php?topic=5797.msg62211#msg62211 (http://forum.geeksphone.com/index.php?topic=5797.msg62211#msg62211)
Once again, they are trying to fool us!
I think that Karl from the Spanish forum is wright, when he says, that it seems Rodrigo and GP don't want the Revolution to succeed.
And don't get me started with their announcement of this "Blackphone"-thing...
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on January 11, 2014, 01:49:04 AM
what I can't understand is: how the hell can a company be soooooo bad in communication  :o
hey Rodrigo! don't you want to make money?
Javier! just fire your communication team...

and both of you, please stop treat us as pieces of shit... we know you screwed up with peak+. Maybe it was not entirely your fault... maybe not... anyway, you've been so bad in communication...

so, you announced the revolution quickly, because you were in a nightmare... finally, you made a phone as fast as possible, with the poor specs we know (for those we know...), and now what?
- you promised a good phone (it had to be a *revolution*), you failed.
- you promised open development, you failed
- you promised full specs for Christmas, you failed
- you promised great announcement for yesterday, you failed.
all we get is a "multi OS keyboard". for me it is just the "one key that must be present on all smart-phones"...

after having telling us all these great news, what will you say on monday? "finally, we failed revolution too"?

and if you read, it is not a hater message... you fool us, you treat us as pieces of shit, you really think we are stupid enough to believe your lies and your errors... this message isn't even the 1/10 of what you deserve...
I paid a phone a long time ago, I want this phone. This is that simple...
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on January 11, 2014, 02:08:38 AM
I think I made the right choice to cancel my order some time ago. It seems that what I was thinking it started to be true. That this Revolution is just a low specs phone before a midrange one.
On the market it is full of valid alternatives. Just consider Oppo with the still great (after an entire year on the market) find 5. On Oppo is active a huge community of developers. I think that in one year it would be possible to install open source system on different hardware.
The Revolution is already completely out of the market for the android ecosystem. An android high end phone has at this time: 2 Gb of Ram, 32 Gb of internal storage, 5 inch full HD display, 13 megapixel camera, 2.3 Ghz quad core processor, multi core GPU. Revolution has a very bad screen, 1 Gb of Ram, 4 Gb internal storage (4????? are you kidding??) only 32 Gb support to external SD, a processor that in benchmarks is equal to CPUs on the market more than one year ago. No this is a complete failure.
They could have invest in a simpler CPU like that on oppo find 5, a good screen with at lest HD resolution, at least 2 Gb of RAM and at least 16 Gb of internal storage with SD support to 64 Gb. They should have included support to only Firefox OS. No I was very disappointed.
So I choose to cancel the preorder and I got an Lg G2 with enough power to be a very great phone for more than one year. In some time I will able to install Ubuntu touch and Firefox Os. I can already install cyanogenmod on it and if I want I can install a complete de-google-ized android system with only free and open source software. I am sad because I wanted something out of the crowd with open source software and in line with the at least midrange specs of the time. It is not the case.

PS: time ago I offered to wait more to have better specs. They should have provided us with more informations. For example they could have said to us: look the Peak+ failed, we want to provide you a phone with some little upgrades like a different CPU and screen dimension but using the same hardware of the Peak+. But next year we will also come out with a midrange phone. What would you like to do? Take the Revolution-Peak+ or wait for the midrange (Blackphone?). I would have answered: I will wait the next one and if necessary I will add the money of the price difference. But I didn't received any answer here in the forum and even by mail. So I canceled my order and now I am happy I have done so.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on January 11, 2014, 02:46:04 AM
I will w8 till monday and then i take a decision.
I hope they can solve there problems so we all get our phone quickly....
In my opinion your bad communication is the greatest problem! Pls Fix it, so we can trust in GP! at this time i think the revolution (blackphone etc...) is only vapoware and the biggest joke since peak +

"You can fool some people sometimes,
But you can't fool all the people all the time"

very dissapointed Pavl
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: rrrrrrrr on January 11, 2014, 04:08:01 AM
Hi,

I ordered a Peak+ in august 2013. That order was for my first smartphone. I wanted to use, to stud, to share and to improve Firefox OS because I believe in this project.

I'm sorry, I can understand the cancellation of Peak+ project. I can't accept what's happen for Revolution. What is written here by supposed members of Geeksphone SL, how this project is driven, the fact there is no specs yet published. This doesn't correspond to my vision of free software community ecosystem.

I just canceled my Peak+ order too. And I'm now free again.

Best Regards,
RR
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on January 11, 2014, 09:15:02 AM
Dear all,

I understand all of your complains but Geeksphone Forum is not the place for announcements.

For that we have others tools.

Geeksphone forum is the place to have open talks.

Thank you.... ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: macrodon on January 11, 2014, 09:19:41 AM
Dear all,

I understand all of your complains but Geeksphone Forum is not the place for announcements.

For that we have others tools.

Geeksphone forum is the place to have open talks.

Thank you.... ;)

I don't know what to say anymore...
its great that you have such tools, but you DON'T use them thats the problem why the people starts to cancel their preorder......
You really must think that we are stupid and change our mind because of such nonsaying phrases......
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: lepetitclement on January 11, 2014, 12:04:06 PM
Dear all,

I understand all of your complains but Geeksphone Forum is not the place for announcements.

For that we have others tools.

Geeksphone forum is the place to have open talks.

Thank you.... ;)

Now I certainly know, that I made the wright decision.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on January 11, 2014, 01:03:07 PM
there is the same message from rodrigo in the spanish forum, but quiet longer (maybe it is because we complain too much here ^^): http://forum.geeksphone.com/index.php?topic=5797.msg62376#msg62376

I want to quote these sentences:
Quote
La semana que viene haremos también un anuncio increíble, ya lo he citado.

No puedo hablar mas porque es una tema que sabemos va a cambiar el horizonte de la telefonía móvil a nivel mundial, y no es un móvil, es mucho mas que eso.

remember, remember, the 5th of november the peak+. we had exactly the same information: "it will change the universe!!!", with the specs we all know...
well, I'm not against the specs because it is a little bit better than what I bought at the beginning (even if for the moment, I only bought hope... hope to receive a phone one day).

what I really fear is that GP make some announcements for the blackphone, and a very few for the revolution... or, what exactly happened with peak+, cancel revolution and announce blackphone...
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: lepetitclement on January 11, 2014, 01:22:02 PM
Blackphone? Let me guess! Maybe some sort of Crypto-Phone, affordable for everyone?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Vincenzo on January 11, 2014, 01:33:51 PM
You know, they can not cancel every new project, or else they won't have anything new to sell ever.
I know it is hard to wait for half a year, that is a lot, but keep up for at least three or four more weeks.
You know, as soon as I receive my phone, I will change my mobile operator subscription, so ... I am patient. And that patience will pay off, some day.

I just hope nothing will go bad another time, because GP can not promise a better phone each time without truly losing money at some point.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on January 11, 2014, 03:23:25 PM
there is the same message from rodrigo in the spanish forum, but quiet longer (maybe it is because we complain too much here ^^): http://forum.geeksphone.com/index.php?topic=5797.msg62376#msg62376

Thanks for posting that. I went over there and ran it through Google Translate. It very much reminds me of why I gave up on smartphones in May of 2012. See http://znmeb.github.io/blog/2012/05/01/yesterday-i-gave-up-on-smartphones/ (http://znmeb.github.io/blog/2012/05/01/yesterday-i-gave-up-on-smartphones/).

I'm back to smartphones as of last September because of Firefox OS. I still have a feature phone as my primary phone, but I have quite a few friends at Mozilla. As I've noted, I have a ZTE Open and am one of the Peak+ -> Revolution orders.

I don't know what Geeksphone is going to announce the next two Mondays, but if it doesn't involve shipping working product to paying customers, I'm going to be very disappointed. And when I see phrasing like, "I can not talk more because it is a topic that we will change the skyline of mobile telephony worldwide, and is not a mobile, it is much more than that", I don't have confidence that it will involve shipping product.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ivanBasel on January 12, 2014, 02:13:02 AM


I'm not against the specs because it is a little bit better than what I bought at the beginning (even if for the moment, I only bought hope... hope to receive a phone one day).



Not to disappoint you even more but the screen density of the Revolution is worst than that of Peak+. Peak+ was 4.3 inch at qHD and Revolution is 4.7 inch at qHD. The PPI of Peak+ is 257 while that of Revolution is 233. So the screen of the Revolution is less sharp than the Peak+ screen.
The only upgrade that can be called as that is the CPU. All the rest is the same.
It lacks also a 4G connectivity.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 12, 2014, 02:13:16 AM
there is the same message from rodrigo in the spanish forum, but quiet longer (maybe it is because we complain too much here ^^): http://forum.geeksphone.com/index.php?topic=5797.msg62376#msg62376

I think Rodrigo give more details and information in the spanish forum also because it is his native language, and meaby it is difficult for him to explain it all in English.
He say a lot more of interesting information in the spanish forum, and i dont like that, that he doesnt talk about that on this forum.
Rodrigo, please inform us about it all, and if you promise things, and something changes, explain why, and inform the English and Spanish people on the forum.
It is better to explain why, than "stick your head in the sand", and suddenly there is a new delay
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 12, 2014, 02:22:01 AM
Dear all,

I understand all of your complains but Geeksphone Forum is not the place for announcements.

For that we have others tools.

Geeksphone forum is the place to have open talks.

Thank you.... ;)

You asked to us for more details, and now we doesnt receive more information about this isnt the place for the answers.
We wait for announcements, and if you also promise that, and you dont bring that, we ask for it here.

You talk in the Spanish forum about 2 dates, 13th and 27th.
Get we all information and pictures for the Revolution on the 13th or on the 27th.
This is very important for your fans!
If we know we get all information on the 27th, and some details on the 13th, we are prepared, and you dont get monday again a lot of frustated messages.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 12, 2014, 09:35:23 AM
now I also think about seriously cancelling my order.I maybe just buy now a cheap zte open or Alcatel one touch fire and wait for other companies high end phone.

I will definitely not buy the blackphone - peak+ / revolution is a disaster of communication politics in this company and won't improve in my opinion.

anyway, I want full specs of the revolution, I want pictures and I want answers to my questions for example about the 25 gb cloud space.

I don't understand what rodrigo wants to tell us: shall we write all our questions into an email and then get better support? AND: is this the only thing he has to say us after several posts full of hate, disappointment and anger? didn't he mention that the only "revolution" is in this forum? i don't get it...

last chance: I wait until tomorrow 12 o'clock, highnoon, for the information I asked for. otherwise I quit
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Assimilationstheorie on January 12, 2014, 09:38:07 AM
last chance: I wait until tomorrow 12 o'clock, highnoon, for the information I asked for. otherwise I quit - Wayne? :D
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 12, 2014, 10:30:14 AM
I'm not John Wayne, I'm William Wallace ;-)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 13, 2014, 12:23:38 AM
Good Morning everbody  :)

Hope to get further news and pictures today!

Any updates yet?

Greetings
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on January 13, 2014, 03:43:01 AM
no news at this time. gp exercise us in patience but my patience is draw to a close.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 13, 2014, 03:56:53 AM
What a shame >:(

Yesterday i informed about the Jolla Smartphone - a possible alternative for me

What a pity that the specs are a bit low : 1,4 Ghz Dualcore, 1 GB RAM, 4,5" inch display, up to 64 GB micro sd card

But the idea to have a full linux system with android apps sounds amazing :-)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on January 13, 2014, 04:04:48 AM
F5 w8 F5 w8 and so on, .... very frustrating
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 13, 2014, 04:12:59 AM
Same with me here - i could imagine a better lunchtime  ;) :D
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Assimilationstheorie on January 13, 2014, 04:45:22 AM
Jolla ordert. No more wait...
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 13, 2014, 05:57:37 AM
Jolla ordert. No more wait...

Hmm... if the Jolla phone wouldn't be that expensive or with better hardware then it could be really interresting ...

geeksphone, what about the announcements for Monday?  :'(
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Assimilationstheorie on January 13, 2014, 06:10:52 AM
Germany. 15:10. No Infos. Ohh Geeksphone...
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 13, 2014, 06:38:35 AM
It is still monday, also in Spain for more than 8 hours  ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 13, 2014, 06:49:43 AM
Some updates in the Roadmap ?

Proxy in my company blocks the site, that's why I'm asking  ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on January 13, 2014, 07:18:58 AM
nop
on the revolution's geeksphon page neither

edit: use proxy over proxy ^^ hidemyass or something similar ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: chrisphl on January 13, 2014, 07:26:42 AM
But...

Quote from: Geeksphone
The revolution is coming.
Stay tuned.
LOL ;-)

I cancelled my order today too. :-(

Jolla seems to be more professional than Geeksphone. If not the actual jollaphone, a later revision will be attractive enough, I think.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 13, 2014, 07:33:20 AM
nop
on the revolution's geeksphon page neither

edit: use proxy over proxy ^^ hidemyass or something similar ;)

firewall blocks proxy sites  ;D

But...

Quote from: Geeksphone
The revolution is coming.
Stay tuned.
LOL ;-)

I cancelled my order today too. :-(

Jolla seems to be more professional than Geeksphone. If not the actual jollaphone, a later revision will be attractive enough, I think.


don't forget that Jolla phone and Sailfish OS are still in alpha status (as many clients in their forum say) ...

And 400€ for a crappy dualcore is not that what I want to own - but I love the hardware modules and features that that phone offers  :) LTE, Bluetooth 4.0 and so on  :)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: macrodon on January 13, 2014, 07:54:52 AM
For those of you who want to stay with FFOS and can accept low specs until a powerfull FFOS device is released:

The Alcatel One Touch Fire can be rooted by following this guide:

http://k.japko.eu/alcatel-otf-hackers-guide-1.html (http://k.japko.eu/alcatel-otf-hackers-guide-1.html)

after that you can flash every version of FFOS on the device.
So you don't depend on the manufacturer and have always a device that is up to date.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: per48a on January 13, 2014, 08:21:57 AM
Jolla seems to be more professional than Geeksphone. If not the actual jollaphone, a later revision will be attractive enough, I think.

Sailfish was my favourite OS until Jolla revealed their device price and specs last summer.

And I rather fancy FFOS could be the future.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on January 13, 2014, 08:23:59 AM
why I like the geeksphones (but geeksphone, not so much actually) is beacause you don't have to root it, it is already done. you're not stuck with one version of FFOS, geeksphone create the updates for their phones.

That's why, if I cancel my revolution, it is for a peak. if it is possible yet ^^
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: soupytwist on January 13, 2014, 08:34:20 AM
Finally  ;D  http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/post/73213197973/revolution-form-factor
direct link for Bada ;) http://24.media.tumblr.com/4304d44a4962610e5ea759e03893f2be/tumblr_mzclsvylev1t4rcwio1_1280.jpg

Looks nice! Very happy to see it too :) Keep 'em coming, GP!
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: karl on January 13, 2014, 08:41:23 AM
Come on GP!! The other side, please.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: macrodon on January 13, 2014, 08:42:00 AM
I'am soooo happy that I cancled my preorder.
This announcement with just one photo on,of the back is just like a hit in the face
for those who are waiting for more information...

Shame on you GP!
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: soupytwist on January 13, 2014, 08:58:43 AM
This announcement with just one photo on,of the back is just like a hit in the face

What were you expecting? It's not like there's much to really see from pictures of the device... I'd bet the front looks identical to the Peak, plus the "MultiOS Keyboard" nonsense.

I'm just happy to see a picture of a real device. Next I want to know a ship date ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Assimilationstheorie on January 13, 2014, 09:01:57 AM
3 Photos...

http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/post/72859599360/multios-keyboard
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: soupytwist on January 13, 2014, 09:06:38 AM
3 Photos...

http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/post/72859599360/multios-keyboard

Oh man. They really don't know how to use Tumblr... ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: caprican on January 13, 2014, 09:35:44 AM
WTF !
Where are other sides : back, front, up, donw in good quality

Delivery date ?
You said Friday then Monday just for this?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: macrodon on January 13, 2014, 10:00:52 AM
This announcement with just one photo on,of the back is just like a hit in the face

What were you expecting?

Hm well what about full specs? The phone has according to the official anouncements not even wlan or umts up to now....

and they also had an prototype of the peak+ before they cancled it.....
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on January 13, 2014, 12:58:51 PM
Now I´m very excited, it looks darned well  ;D
Hope you can deliver soon!!!
gn8 to you all

Pavl
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on January 13, 2014, 01:06:32 PM
This announcement with just one photo on,of the back is just like a hit in the face

What were you expecting?

Hm well what about full specs? The phone has according to the official anouncements not even wlan or umts up to now....

and they also had an prototype of the peak+ before they cancled it.....

Hmmm ... the Revolution starting to look like a Peak / Peak+ with an Intel CPU and a bigger battery. At this point I think what's going to ship at the end of January is Android only, probably Jelly Bean, with the same radios, camera, etc. as the Peak/Peak+. The Peak+ was supposed to be 1 GB of RAM so that's what I'm guessing is in the Revolution.

I'm eagerly awaiting formal and accurate communication from Geeksphone on the details. As of a few minutes ago they are showing the Peak out of stock. That means you can not buy a phone from Geeksphone. If you want a Firefox phone you'll need to go elsewhere.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: soupytwist on January 13, 2014, 01:36:33 PM
At this point I think what's going to ship at the end of January is Android only, probably Jelly Bean

Why do you say Android only? This first batch is the replacement for Peak+ pre-orders, and I doubt anyone ordering the Peak+ wants that- after all there's no reason to wait 6 months for an Android phone. ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on January 13, 2014, 02:54:35 PM
At this point I think what's going to ship at the end of January is Android only, probably Jelly Bean

Why do you say Android only? This first batch is the replacement for Peak+ pre-orders, and I doubt anyone ordering the Peak+ wants that- after all there's no reason to wait 6 months for an Android phone. ;)

1. Look at the list of Tier 1, 2 and 3 devices from Mozilla: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox_OS/Firefox_OS_build_prerequisites (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox_OS/Firefox_OS_build_prerequisites). Not a single x86 device on the list, and the x86 emulator isn't supported.

2. Since there isn't a supported x86 device, that means a port is required. Here's what Geeksphone has to do: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox_OS/Porting (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox_OS/Porting)

3. Mozilla are offering tablet hardware to developers https://hacks.mozilla.org/2014/01/mozilla-launches-contribution-program-to-help-deliver-firefox-os-to-tablets/ (https://hacks.mozilla.org/2014/01/mozilla-launches-contribution-program-to-help-deliver-firefox-os-to-tablets/). This device doesn't look like it has an Intel processor.

In other words, if Geeksphone is doing Firefox OS on Intel, they're very much bucking a trend. But Android on Intel is a solved problem; there's a range of Intel Android phones and tablets available. I live a few miles from Intel's huge Oregon campus and I've seen these and played with them - they're awesome. Amazon even has an unlocked Lenovo Intel Android phone for $415US.

I'd love to be wrong here; I still have a Revolution on order and would like the option of running FxOS on it. But if Geeksphone can't deliver a working phone in a timely manner, I'll move on.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: karl on January 13, 2014, 03:08:52 PM
At this point I think what's going to ship at the end of January is Android only, probably Jelly Bean

Why do you say Android only? This first batch is the replacement for Peak+ pre-orders, and I doubt anyone ordering the Peak+ wants that- after all there's no reason to wait 6 months for an Android phone. ;)

1. Look at the list of Tier 1, 2 and 3 devices from Mozilla: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox_OS/Firefox_OS_build_prerequisites (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox_OS/Firefox_OS_build_prerequisites). Not a single x86 device on the list, and the x86 emulator isn't supported.

2. Since there isn't a supported x86 device, that means a port is required. Here's what Geeksphone has to do: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox_OS/Porting (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox_OS/Porting)

3. Mozilla are offering tablet hardware to developers https://hacks.mozilla.org/2014/01/mozilla-launches-contribution-program-to-help-deliver-firefox-os-to-tablets/ (https://hacks.mozilla.org/2014/01/mozilla-launches-contribution-program-to-help-deliver-firefox-os-to-tablets/). This device doesn't look like it has an Intel processor.

In other words, if Geeksphone is doing Firefox OS on Intel, they're very much bucking a trend. But Android on Intel is a solved problem; there's a range of Intel Android phones and tablets available. I live a few miles from Intel's huge Oregon campus and I've seen these and played with them - they're awesome. Amazon even has an unlocked Lenovo Intel Android phone for $415US.

I'd love to be wrong here; I still have a Revolution on order and would like the option of running FxOS on it. But if Geeksphone can't deliver a working phone in a timely manner, I'll move on.

http://vimeo.com/m/80428273
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on January 13, 2014, 11:01:32 PM
http://vimeo.com/m/80428273

That's not the phone they'll be shipping, but it does imply that there was a working Boot to Gecko 1.0 for Intel phones when the video was made. IIRC Geeksphone is now shipping a non-branded Boot to Gecko 1.3 for Keon and Peak.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 14, 2014, 12:10:47 AM
Dear all,

I understand all of your complains but Geeksphone Forum is not the place for announcements.

For that we have others tools.

Geeksphone forum is the place to have open talks.

Thank you.... ;)

You asked to us for more details, and now we doesnt receive more information about this isnt the place for the answers.
We wait for announcements, and if you also promise that, and you dont bring that, we ask for it here.

You talk in the Spanish forum about 2 dates, 13th and 27th.
Get we all information and pictures for the Revolution on the 13th or on the 27th.
This is very important for your fans!
If we know we get all information on the 27th, and some details on the 13th, we are prepared, and you dont get monday again a lot of frustated messages.

Thanks for the images, but why only these images?
You can update the tumblr page with e.g. other specs you have give us.
And is the MP started now?
And when do we receive more specs, and all specs?
Do we receive every week some details?
Do we have to wait till the 27th for all details?

About the poll:
http://poll.pollcode.com/7311483
option 1 and 2 failed, but can you please inform us about the schedule?
When do we get all details, and is the MP started, and do we receive the phone in january?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 14, 2014, 12:45:51 AM

Thanks for the images, but why only these images?
You can update the tumblr page with e.g. other specs you have give us.
And is the MP started now?
And when do we receive more specs, and all specs?
Do we receive every week some details?
Do we have to wait till the 27th for all details?

About the poll:
http://poll.pollcode.com/7311483
option 1 and 2 failed, but can you please inform us about the schedule?
When do we get all details, and is the MP started, and do we receive the phone in january?


Rodrigo does not reply anymore here - maybe we were too rude (?)... But I think that Geeksphone is also guilty and their communication politics gave us the reason. It's our right and our duty  ::)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on January 14, 2014, 02:10:06 AM

2. Since there isn't a supported x86 device, that means a port is required. Here's what Geeksphone has to do: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox_OS/Porting (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox_OS/Porting)

If I correctly read your link, this is what every manufacturers have to do for every new devices... So, we can assume that geeksphone already did it for keon and peak (which didn't run android, so even more complicated).
Moreover, FFOS on intel is not new. you should be able to install FFOS on your computer...

I don't see any reason to put only android in revolution :)

so far, we know a lot of specs, and we finally see what the phone looks like.
(my opinion: I saw nexus 5 white & black, this is soooo ugly... :( )
we know that, on the 27th, there will be an annouce few days before expedition of revolution.

what I'm waiting from geeksphone now is:
resume all of that in a single post / page / whatever you want.
a good idea would be to update this page: http://www.geeksphone.com/revolution/

If you don't do so, it means you are in big troubles because you're very late to make your phones, so please, tell us what's wrong and what we should expect...
It is not a failure to recognize something went wrong and you're not able to deliver at the given date. It would be a great success for your communication team ^^
It is failure to announce at the very last moment that you're not able to deliver us...
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: chrisphl on January 14, 2014, 02:28:14 AM
Rodrigo does not reply anymore here - maybe we were too rude (?)... But I think that Geeksphone is also guilty and their communication politics gave us the reason. It's our right and our duty  ::)
Hey come on, it's obvious: He does not have any interesting information to tell. I'm happy to have cancelled my order, I don't want to buy a nice gadget with "let me surprise" specs from a company that's not worth to trust in.
Anyway I even don't want to be in his situation... it must be horrible to watch this thread but not having (permission to) any answer.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on January 14, 2014, 03:08:34 AM

a good idea would be to update this page: http://www.geeksphone.com/revolution/


Hello,

This page: http://www.geeksphone.com/revolution is updated.

I understand your impatience.

I understand also that is important to know the status delivery.

The situation is that we are waiting for some components to start MP next week.

The only problem is that this year, Chinese New Year start on Friday 31/01.

We are pushing now to have our first batch finalised before that, but it's not easy.

Thank you.... ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on January 14, 2014, 03:31:58 AM
Hello,

This page: http://www.geeksphone.com/revolution is updated.
You know what I meant ;) we cannot see all the specs you gave us about bluetooth, sd card, 3/4G... were these informations official? if so, why not put them there?

The situation is that we are waiting for some components to start MP next week.

The only problem is that this year, Chinese New Year start on Friday 31/01.

We are pushing now to have our first batch finalised before that, but it's not easy.

Thank you.... ;)

at last!!!
what components are you waiting? why? do you think it may impact the delivery date? will you tell us as soon as you received the missing components? and when you'll start MP?

you see: no anger in my post. there is a problem, you told us it. ok, let's deal with that.
this is much better than saying anything until the very end to announce a bad news ;)

Big companies like apple can wait weeks before making an announcement, even if the community is in anger (the problem with the antenna, because you don't hold the iPhone the right way...). but I don't buy apple.
I think smaller companies can be very close to their customer, and it is a huge advantage. use it :p
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on January 14, 2014, 03:32:45 AM
It´s hard to w8 but since yesterday a bit easier.

@rodrigo Your little sheeps have to be fed. ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: caprican on January 14, 2014, 03:39:20 AM
Yes pushing the poor chinese workers.
The chinese new year is their only holydays.
It's always in Junary or fubuary so it's not a surprise.

I thing to go to Fairphone, they respect the delivery statuts without "pushing".
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 14, 2014, 04:04:58 AM

at last!!!
what components are you waiting? why? do you think it may impact the delivery date? will you tell us as soon as you received the missing components? and when you'll start MP?

you see: no anger in my post. there is a problem, you told us it. ok, let's deal with that.
this is much better than saying anything until the very end to announce a bad news ;)

Big companies like apple can wait weeks before making an announcement, even if the community is in anger (the problem with the antenna, because you don't hold the iPhone the right way...). but I don't buy apple.
I think smaller companies can be very close to their customer, and it is a huge advantage. use it :p

I totally agree with that - Karma Level +1  ;D
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on January 14, 2014, 04:33:30 AM
Yes pushing the poor chinese workers.
The chinese new year is their only holydays.
It's always in Junary or fubuary so it's not a surprise.

I thing to go to Fairphone, they respect the delivery statuts without "pushing".

Sorry to say that but worker rights are essential in Geeksphone, we have talked about that in the past.

By the way, we have really good relation with Fairphone, we have helped them introducing to few ODM in China.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 14, 2014, 05:04:34 AM
Yes pushing the poor chinese workers.
The chinese new year is their only holydays.
It's always in Junary or fubuary so it's not a surprise.

I thing to go to Fairphone, they respect the delivery statuts without "pushing".

Sorry to say that but worker rights are essential in Geeksphone, we have talked about that in the past.

By the way, we have really good relation with Fairphone, we have helped them introducing to few ODM in China.


that's very good rodrigo, we are glad to hear news about that. As others before me said: We are not angry now - we just want to have information what's happening  :)
The only time we are angry is when someone tries to fool us OR when we wait hours / days for promised information :-\

Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on January 14, 2014, 05:13:35 AM
Yes pushing the poor chinese workers.
The chinese new year is their only holydays.
It's always in Junary or fubuary so it's not a surprise.

I thing to go to Fairphone, they respect the delivery statuts without "pushing".

Sorry to say that but worker rights are essential in Geeksphone, we have talked about that in the past.

By the way, we have really good relation with Fairphone, we have helped them introducing to few ODM in China.


that's very good rodrigo, we are glad to hear news about that. As others before me said: We are not angry now - we just want to have information what's happening  :)
The only time we are angry is when someone tries to fool us OR when we wait hours / days for promised information :-\

Thanks Bada3.0

Got it..... ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: marc on January 14, 2014, 05:40:28 AM
Finally some honest answers. I have been following the forum anonymously for some time now. But I felt I had to register to react to this. This gives me a more positive feeling about geeksphone. A small firm like Geeksphone has my sympathy, especially if they're making a free phone. However the past few weeks I had the impression that Geeksphone was similar to the national railways: "we move trains around and our passengers only bother us".

Perhaps a pity that I cancelled my pre-order last week...    Let's see what time brings.

Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 14, 2014, 05:57:20 AM
Finally some honest answers. I have been following the forum anonymously for some time now. But I felt I had to register to react to this. This gives me a more positive feeling about geeksphone. A small firm like Geeksphone has my sympathy, especially if they're making a free phone. However the past few weeks I had the impression that Geeksphone was similar to the national railways: "we move trains around and our passengers only bother us".

Perhaps a pity that I cancelled my pre-order last week...    Let's see what time brings.


I also wanted to cancel yesterday but I couldn't  :-\ ... The feedback gives me also a more positive feeling about the whole situation: everybody's waiting half a year and wondering if it was the right decision to invest in this company.
I'm looking forward to hear more news the following days - even if they are bad news  8)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: marc on January 14, 2014, 06:00:30 AM
In a previous life I worked at the sales dept. of a large IT company. The one thing I learnt was that customers don't like bad news, but they HATE getting no news.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: haasis on January 14, 2014, 06:46:08 AM
Quote
Starting with Google® Android™ operating system, you can seamlessly switch to Boot2Gecko by Mozilla, or any other community-supported flavor of an OS. You choose, and we will keep you updated thanks to our 1-click OTA system.

This is from http://www.geeksphone.com/revolution/ (http://www.geeksphone.com/revolution/)


Hi!
Does this mean that I'm able to use Sailfish OS on the revolution?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on January 14, 2014, 06:46:52 AM
In a previous life I worked at the sales dept. of a large IT company. The one thing I learnt was that customers don't like bad news, but they HATE no news.

Nice sentence.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on January 14, 2014, 06:53:49 AM
Quote
Starting with Google® Android™ operating system, you can seamlessly switch to Boot2Gecko by Mozilla, or any other community-supported flavor of an OS. You choose, and we will keep you updated thanks to our 1-click OTA system.

This is from http://www.geeksphone.com/revolution/ (http://www.geeksphone.com/revolution/)


Hi!
Does this mean that I'm able to use Sailfish OS on the revolution?

Good question.

But I can't answer, I need to talk with Engineering Team.

Also to be clear, we don't have any relation with Jolla.

Does Sailfish have any license ?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: macrodon on January 14, 2014, 06:58:05 AM
Well it looks like that your on the right way.    Unfortunately to late for me, but if you are going on with this way, I will think about buying my next Phone from GP.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: koldomon on January 14, 2014, 07:13:15 AM
Quote
Big brother experience
token from the website!
I'm not sure if it is the right year for such a quote. Each Nation spy's each other without respect for privacy and you promote the "Big brother experience" for the "Revolution". I'm not sure if I should laugh or ask if you will give us a hint of what is going on in the background of the phone; if we're all expecting a secure phone - we won't get one ???

second question (more seriously): when will the public sale start. or do you plan a pre-order for the revolution for those which hadn't pre-orderd the peak+? btw. my birthday is early in februar. can you think what present i want?  ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 14, 2014, 07:17:29 AM
Jolla said that any mobile phone manufacturer will be able to license and use Sailfish with their mobile phones and other mobile devices, as they can with Android. The details of licensing have not been presented yet, but it was mentioned that the whole of Sailfish OS is to be licensed as open source.

Question for GP:
How can i switch from Android to Firefox OS on the Revolution.
Will the phone clear all data, or can i switch the OS and keep all data?
Can i use the phone to run some Android apps on Android and use Firefox OS for other things?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on January 14, 2014, 10:27:28 AM
Quote
Este año tendremos muchas cosas que contar, ya que entre otros mañana, a las 10:00 en España, se lanza el proyecto Blackphone..... ;)
rodrigo en el spanish forum.

it means that tomorrow, 10 am (spanish hour), the project blackphone will be launched.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: karl on January 14, 2014, 12:02:08 PM
Quote
Este año tendremos muchas cosas que contar, ya que entre otros mañana, a las 10:00 en España, se lanza el proyecto Blackphone..... ;)
rodrigo en el spanish forum.

it means that tomorrow, 10 am (spanish hour), the project blackphone will be launched.

I think it's not a GP project, but a mixture of companies. Tomorrow we'll see!!
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: marc on January 14, 2014, 12:47:00 PM

I also wanted to cancel yesterday but I couldn't  :-\ ... The feedback gives me also a more positive feeling about the whole situation: everybody's waiting half a year and wondering if it was the right decision to invest in this company.
I'm looking forward to hear more news the following days - even if they are bad news  8)

I prefer bad news to no news. I hope I made a bad decision on cancelling. Worst thing that can happen is missing the first shipment. (...)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: caprican on January 14, 2014, 03:15:39 PM
Yes pushing the poor chinese workers.
The chinese new year is their only holydays.
It's always in Junary or fubuary so it's not a surprise.

I thing to go to Fairphone, they respect the delivery statuts without "pushing".

Sorry to say that but worker rights are essential in Geeksphone, we have talked about that in the past.

By the way, we have really good relation with Fairphone, we have helped them introducing to few ODM in China.

Great, you should speak about this before.

So I waiting my Geeksphone Revolution and it will be my first smartphone.
A Firefox OS Smartphone beceause I don't want Android/Google phone and even less an Apple Iphone. So I hope we can deleted Android of the Revolution
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 14, 2014, 04:11:17 PM
in my opinion geeksphone will only sell about 10 -15% revolution phones with android. nevertheless it's mozillas work to make the 85 -90 % firefox os revolution phone clients happy and satisfied with performance, stability  and a great ecosystem of useful apps - otherwise they will change to android on their phones ;-)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on January 14, 2014, 04:50:15 PM
if geeksphone stay phones for geeks, I think you're right.
If non-geeks buy some geeksphones, it will be the reverse. just because FFOS is soooo far from android!

I installed the emulator on my PC, to try my application on it. The first thing I saw is: what? there is no calculator by default? ok... let's download one!
- went the marketplace
- found thousands of calculators (and I wasn't able to sort them by number of downlads or by rating...)
- tried 3 picked randomly
- one just doesn't work... one needs an internet connection... and one works \o/
oh, and I forgot to say... most of the comments and application descriptions are in spanish...
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on January 14, 2014, 09:43:06 PM
if geeksphone stay phones for geeks, I think you're right.
If non-geeks buy some geeksphones, it will be the reverse. just because FFOS is soooo far from android!

I installed the emulator on my PC, to try my application on it. The first thing I saw is: what? there is no calculator by default? ok... let's download one!
- went the marketplace
- found thousands of calculators (and I wasn't able to sort them by number of downlads or by rating...)
- tried 3 picked randomly
- one just doesn't work... one needs an internet connection... and one works \o/
oh, and I forgot to say... most of the comments and application descriptions are in spanish...

Yes, ZTE bundles some apps in their ZTE Open builds: AccuWeather, Wikipedia, Nokia's Here Maps and a Calculator. They're all available in the Mozilla Marketplace though.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on January 15, 2014, 01:10:43 AM
https://www.blackphone.ch/
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 15, 2014, 01:47:06 AM
https://www.blackphone.ch/

1. Hey, there's a picture of Rodrigo  :)

2. Blackphone shall run with PrivatOS (?) - a kind of Android?

I thought that it will be a new firefox os phone  :D

Gentlemen, the Geeksphone Revolution remains the only "high end" Firefox OS flagship on the market (for now)  ;D
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on January 15, 2014, 02:11:10 AM
I'm asking a lot here: http://forum.geeksphone.com/index.php?topic=5874.0 ;)

I hope I'll have all the answers ^^
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: marc on January 15, 2014, 03:29:15 AM
https://www.blackphone.ch/

1. Hey, there's a picture of Rodrigo  :)

He looks very trustworthy.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on January 15, 2014, 04:05:41 AM
He looks very trustworthy.
of course!!! he speaks french in the video ;D
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Wad on January 15, 2014, 04:57:00 AM
He looks very trustworthy.
of course!!! he speaks french in the video ;D

+1  ;D

Otherwise, the blackphone seems to be an interested project ^^
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 15, 2014, 05:20:03 AM
@ xinouch: qu'est-ce que tu veux nous dire avec ça? :-P
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on January 15, 2014, 08:23:18 AM
https://www.blackphone.ch/

1. Hey, there's a picture of Rodrigo  :)

2. Blackphone shall run with PrivatOS (?) - a kind of Android?

I thought that it will be a new firefox os phone  :D

Gentlemen, the Geeksphone Revolution remains the only "high end" Firefox OS flagship on the market (for now)  ;D

Technically speaking, the Revolution isn't "on the market". Geeksphone is building a small run for those people who converted Peak+ orders, but there's no place where you can buy a Revolution.

Clearly the company's marketing is going full-bore on the Blackphone - mailing list sign-up, a promotional video and orders starting in February at Barcelona. I wish Geeksphone well with the Blackphone, but I'm not the target customer for it.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 15, 2014, 08:52:24 AM
me neither ;-)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: trwrt on January 15, 2014, 09:59:47 AM
Has it been announced which version of Android will come with the Revolution?  I vaguely remember seeing 4.2.2 somewhere.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Assimilationstheorie on January 15, 2014, 10:52:02 AM
Peak+ = Dead... Revolution = Infos all 5 Weeks... and now "Blackphone"...are u fckn kidding me, geeks?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on January 15, 2014, 11:08:11 AM
Has it been announced which version of Android will come with the Revolution?  I vaguely remember seeing 4.2.2 somewhere.

I haven't seen anything but my guess is Jelly Bean, not Kit Kat. I hope it's Kit Kat.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on January 15, 2014, 12:59:03 PM
Peak+ = Dead... Revolution = Infos all 5 Weeks... and now "Blackphone"...are u fckn kidding me, geeks?

I'm a frayed knot. ;-) Full-bore hype on the Blackphone.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: soupytwist on January 15, 2014, 01:49:50 PM
Revolution tumblr is looking spiffy  ;)

http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on January 15, 2014, 02:01:46 PM
ololz, they paid a graphist ^^
this tumblr was so awful. I'm sad I didn't take a screenshot :p

but there are still few informations in it...
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Vincenzo on January 15, 2014, 03:28:26 PM
You should also get a loot to the Revolution website ( http://www.geeksphone.com/revolution/ ).
"Big Brother experience" has been changed to "Community experience".
Notice how funny it is, now that the Blackphone has been announced! :D
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: koldomon on January 16, 2014, 08:39:14 AM
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Big brother experience
token from the website!
I'm not sure if it is the right year for such a quote. Each Nation spy's each other without respect for privacy and you promote the "Big brother experience" for the "Revolution". I'm not sure if I should laugh or ask if you will give us a hint of what is going on in the background of the phone; if we're all expecting a secure phone - we won't get one ???
Quote
Community experience
Ok, no response in the forum (neighter a little "thanks for the hint"), but they make it clear.

Blackphone announced today - making thoughts about security differences compared with the Revolution. The only cause I'm not having a smartphone is that the available models don't care for privacy and/or security. Snowden proved that. So I thought FFOS will be my Solution, but now the Blackphone? I'm totally confused. Can anywone make it clear what "Security Differences" exists between these two? Software? Hardware? ...anyware ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on January 16, 2014, 09:19:29 AM
to answer you, we need to know more about the blackphone... and for that, we need answers in this topic http://forum.geeksphone.com/index.php?topic=5874
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: chrisphl on January 16, 2014, 12:20:12 PM
So I thought FFOS will be my Solution, but now the Blackphone? I'm totally confused. Can anywone make it clear what "Security Differences" exists between these two? Software? Hardware? ...anyware ;)
The thing between theses two systems, FirefoxOS <--> PrivatOS, is the way they are configured. FirefoxOS is FOSS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOSS), PrivatOS comes with cryptography software ootb. FOSS is the first step to regain your communication privacy 'cause it's open source software. But what about the firmware of the UMTS modem? It needs to be open source software as well! Hacking these modems will be the next step to catch all of our mobile communication for sure. (I would estimate these hacking activities this or next year.)

[claim mode on] @geeksphone: Where can we get the source code from which you built the images for GP Keon, GP Peak and even GP Revolution? [claim mode off]

What you need "on top of that" (means integrated) is proper cryptography algorithms to secure your audible, visible and textual communication. Maybe PrivatOS will get this done. I wish they will do well! Let me point to my post here about an amazing talk about cryptography: Blackphone (http://forum.geeksphone.com/index.php?topic=5874.msg62516#msg62516).
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: greguu on January 17, 2014, 02:28:47 AM
After recent disappointments, current news keep me interested in the Revolution phone.

However the specs regarding OS versions would be good to know asap. (B2G version and Android option)

We all were waiting long for the Peak+ and the Revolution seems to be just a minor upgrade hardware wise, but
still it seems to be worth the price we paid upfront for the Peak+. Let just hope we will get it delivered without
any delays.

The announced Blackphone does not strike me as a "secure" phone.
There seem to be a lot of competent people involved in that project, but I do not believe in a secure smartphone.
Security is up to the user, what information the user is willing to share over untrusted networks. Encryption
in a point to point connection may be a solution but will limit calls to other Blackphone users. This can be achieved
with software on other phones already for SMS and calls. Hardware may be compromised from the beginning as
pointed out by other posts in the forum. This announcement may attract some users that hope for a solution
in secure communication in the lights of recent leaks about mass-espionage. A lot of projects like this have failed
because of funding issues. If it does succeed, and does make communication safer, the Blackphone would be
the real revolution. Until then, the Revolution phone would be sufficient for me.

I hope for more POSITIVE news about the Revolution phone this coming week.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on January 19, 2014, 11:32:56 PM
The revolution is not the best product that uses FFOS:
http://asadotzler.com/2014/01/16/firefox-os-tablet-program-first-device-specs/

By the way, we don't have any news for the revolution, nor for the blackphone (even if a list of good questions is waiting there)...
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 19, 2014, 11:46:17 PM
And the ZTE Open C has also a higher resolution than the Revolution
http://firefoxosguide.com/firefox-os/exclusive-complete-specs-zte-open-c-upcoming-firefox-os-device.html/
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on January 19, 2014, 11:54:41 PM
The revolution is not the best product that uses FFOS:
http://asadotzler.com/2014/01/16/firefox-os-tablet-program-first-device-specs/

By the way, we don't have any news for the revolution, nor for the blackphone (even if a list of good questions is waiting there)...

Yeah, the FxOS tablet does look nice, although I'm not a big fan of tablets. It weighs about a pound and a half, too, while the newer iPad and Kindle models are much lighter. I'm actually considering getting one of the newer Kindle Fires, rooting it and porting FxOS to it.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on January 20, 2014, 12:03:23 AM
And the ZTE Open C has also a higher resolution than the Revolution
http://firefoxosguide.com/firefox-os/exclusive-complete-specs-zte-open-c-upcoming-firefox-os-device.html/

I'm not at all impressed with the ZTE Open C. Nor am I impressed with the support ZTE has provided for my ZTE Open. Essentially, here in the USA Mozilla and some hard-core hobbyist users are doing all the support. The Revolution looks much better than the ZTE Open or Open C.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 20, 2014, 12:57:59 AM
Good Morning everybody  :)

@ Rodrigo: Are there any information about the promised 25 GB FREE CLOUD SPACE yet?  :o

It would be nice to hear which version of Android and Firefox OS are installed on the REVOLUTION - I mean, it's nearlly the last week before shipping. By this time it would be a shame if you don't know all the specs that are in your phone  ???

Come on Rodrigo, don't tease us anymore  ;)


New week, additional information!!!!  :P
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on January 20, 2014, 01:59:18 AM
Good Morning everybody  :)

@ Rodrigo: Are there any information about the promised 25 GB FREE CLOUD SPACE yet?  :o

It would be nice to hear which version of Android and Firefox OS are installed on the REVOLUTION - I mean, it's nearlly the last week before shipping. By this time it would be a shame if you don't know all the specs that are in your phone  ???

Come on Rodrigo, don't tease us anymore  ;)


New week, additional information!!!!  :P

Hello,

25GB free space was promised for Peak+, not for the Revolution.

FFOS 1.2. I think, but I need to recheck with engineering team.

Tomorrow MP of 1º batch will start in factory...... ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: chrisphl on January 20, 2014, 02:07:49 AM
@geeksphone: Where can we get the source code from which you built the images for GP Keon, GP Peak and even GP Revolution?
Rodrigo, could you answer my question as well, please?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 20, 2014, 02:42:35 AM
Another question for GP:
How can i switch from Android to Firefox OS on the Revolution.
Will the phone clear all data, or can i switch the OS and keep all data?
Can i use the phone to run some Android apps on Android and use Firefox OS for other things?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 20, 2014, 04:01:26 AM

Hello,

25GB free space was promised for Peak+, not for the Revolution.

FFOS 1.2. I think, but I need to recheck with engineering team.

Tomorrow MP of 1º batch will start in factory...... ;)

Thank you for the fast response, Rodrigo

@ 25 GB Cloud Storage: Ok, now we know. Unfortunately it's not a part of the Revolution order anymore  :-[

@ FFOS1.2: I hope to get the 1.3 version; there should be a stable release (?)

@ MP: Thumbs up Geeksphone!  :D
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Forza21 on January 20, 2014, 04:47:22 AM
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25GB free space was promised for Peak+, not for the Revolution.
1) So we ordered the Peak+ after having all the information and including the 25GB free space.
2) Peak+ is discontinued before starting the MP.
3) We are offered to switch to a better Firefox OS smartphone that could possibly have 2GB RAM and HD screen, but finally it gets the same RAM and screen than Peak+.
4) Information arrives late.
5) A week before MP we don't know about Android and Firefox OS versions.

Really deceiving.

Said this, I will keep my preorder. But I feel that Geeksphone owes us something. :-\
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: luis.cuervo on January 20, 2014, 06:05:36 AM
@geeksphone: Where can we get the source code from which you built the images for GP Keon, GP Peak and even GP Revolution?
Rodrigo, could you answer my question as well, please?

The FFOS sources for Keon and Peak are public. Search the forum for more info.
Revolution is not a commercial product by now, when it get released will see...
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: luis.cuervo on January 20, 2014, 06:08:34 AM
Another question for GP:
How can i switch from Android to Firefox OS on the Revolution.
Will the phone clear all data, or can i switch the OS and keep all data?
Can i use the phone to run some Android apps on Android and use Firefox OS for other things?

It's already answered. You can go from Android to FFOS by OTA, and from FFOS to Android using fastboot (FFOS doesnt have any way to update by zip file using a GUI :().

No data is keeped, because it's not compatible between operating systems.

Only a SO is installed at time.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: luis.cuervo on January 20, 2014, 06:09:44 AM

Thank you for the fast response, Rodrigo

@ FFOS1.2: I hope to get the 1.3 version; there should be a stable release (?)

1.2 because is right now the stable and the code with we can work.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 20, 2014, 06:17:31 AM
Another question for GP:
How can i switch from Android to Firefox OS on the Revolution.
Will the phone clear all data, or can i switch the OS and keep all data?
Can i use the phone to run some Android apps on Android and use Firefox OS for other things?

It's already answered. You can go from Android to FFOS by OTA, and from FFOS to Android using fastboot (FFOS doesnt have any way to update by zip file using a GUI :().

No data is keeped, because it's not compatible between operating systems.

Only a SO is installed at time.

Thanks, this wasnt clear for me, but now it is clear. (i follow this topic from the begin)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on January 20, 2014, 10:06:49 AM
Another question for GP:
How can i switch from Android to Firefox OS on the Revolution.
Will the phone clear all data, or can i switch the OS and keep all data?
Can i use the phone to run some Android apps on Android and use Firefox OS for other things?

It's already answered. You can go from Android to FFOS by OTA, and from FFOS to Android using fastboot (FFOS doesnt have any way to update by zip file using a GUI :().

No data is keeped, because it's not compatible between operating systems.

Only a SO is installed at time.

If both fastboot and adb work, you can back up data to a host machine and restore it. But the user settings are probably in different places on Android and FxOS.

Which version of Android is it?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 20, 2014, 01:17:26 PM
Thank you Luis for your reply in this topic - I think rodrigo needs a little break ;)

do you also plan releasing several firefox os versions for the revolution as you already do for keon and peak?

can you also confirm that there will be Bluetooth 3.0?

which standards are available for wlan? b n g ?

will there be also a micro sd card included? if yes how many Gigabyte?


thank you for taking your time answering the questions in this topic :-)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: luis.cuervo on January 21, 2014, 12:43:51 AM

If both fastboot and adb work, you can back up data to a host machine and restore it. But the user settings are probably in different places on Android and FxOS.

Which version of Android is it?

Yes, you can do a backup to maintain your data if come back to Android or Firefox, but the data folder is not compatible betwen Android and FFOS.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: luis.cuervo on January 21, 2014, 12:48:19 AM
Thank you Luis for your reply in this topic - I think rodrigo needs a little break ;)

do you also plan releasing several firefox os versions for the revolution as you already do for keon and peak?

can you also confirm that there will be Bluetooth 3.0?

which standards are available for wlan? b n g ?

will there be also a micro sd card included? if yes how many Gigabyte?


thank you for taking your time answering the questions in this topic :-)

We will not release a daily version as in Peak and Keon, because Revolution is not a developer device. By now it will be 1.2, then we will see.

About the specs, Rodrigo is the person to ask :)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on January 21, 2014, 01:28:51 AM
anyway, the daily version was just taken from the official git version without any changes, wans't it?
So, we will be able to do our daily version ourselves ^^
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: caprican on January 21, 2014, 02:17:58 AM

We will not release a daily version as in Peak and Keon, because Revolution is not a developer device. By now it will be 1.2, then we will see.

About the specs, Rodrigo is the person to ask :)

I hope that you will provide us new version of Firefox OS by OTA regularly.
Why "then we will see" ?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: luis.cuervo on January 21, 2014, 04:14:57 AM

We will not release a daily version as in Peak and Keon, because Revolution is not a developer device. By now it will be 1.2, then we will see.

About the specs, Rodrigo is the person to ask :)

I hope that you will provide us new version of Firefox OS by OTA regularly.
Why "then we will see" ?

Because I'm an engineer and dont have all the answers :(
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: caprican on January 21, 2014, 05:18:24 AM
Ok thanks Luis

and a very important question :

What the SAR (or DAS in France) of the Revolution ?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 21, 2014, 05:34:17 AM
Good Morning everybody  :)

@ Rodrigo: Are there any information about the promised 25 GB FREE CLOUD SPACE yet?  :o

It would be nice to hear which version of Android and Firefox OS are installed on the REVOLUTION - I mean, it's nearlly the last week before shipping. By this time it would be a shame if you don't know all the specs that are in your phone  ???

Come on Rodrigo, don't tease us anymore  ;)


New week, additional information!!!!  :P

Hello,

25GB free space was promised for Peak+, not for the Revolution.

FFOS 1.2. I think, but I need to recheck with engineering team.

Tomorrow MP of 1º batch will start in factory...... ;)

Is the MP started successfully?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: luis.cuervo on January 21, 2014, 07:08:39 AM
Ok thanks Luis

and a very important question :

What the SAR (or DAS in France) of the Revolution ?

Sorry, i dont have this info :(
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 22, 2014, 01:11:40 PM
Hello everybody :-)

like every revolution client I'm counting the days till I hold my new mobile in hands ;)

what do think: how long will the shipping process take? will we have the phone till Wednesday the 5th of February? :) I'm from Germany ;)

earlier is also ok for me :-P
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Vincenzo on January 22, 2014, 01:23:53 PM
I chose to get my phone delivered by UPS, when I ordered my Peak+, so, it won't take more than one or two business days after GeeksPhone sends the first batch.

The MP started yesterday, according to what I have read in this forum.
The batch will be sent in Spain at GeeksPhone HQ, I believe, and then to us.
So, theoretically, if we admit that a batch takes a work week to be produced, we could have it done for the 28th of January, sent in Spain for the first days of February, and you know what should come after.

Remember one thing : everything here is supposed. So, if MP takes just two days longer than I expected, due to the Chinese New Year, the entire process will take drastically more time than that.

What do you think about that ?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on January 22, 2014, 11:55:09 PM
Quote
we can advance you that, within the next days, we are receiving the first batch of devices, to start delivering immediately.
From a mail of GP
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 23, 2014, 03:55:01 AM
Quote
we can advance you that, within the next days, we are receiving the first batch of devices, to start delivering immediately.
From a mail of GP

"the next days" --> let's say they get the phones until next week monday/tuesday. So they first of us could receive their phones on Friday/Saturday (31.01. / 01.02) next week  :)

That sounds realistic to me.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: greguu on January 23, 2014, 04:01:41 AM
Quote
we can advance you that, within the next days, we are receiving the first batch of devices, to start delivering immediately.
From a mail of GP

"the next days" --> let's say they get the phones until next week monday/tuesday. So they first of us could receive their phones on Friday/Saturday (31.01. / 01.02) next week  :)

That sounds realistic to me.

I would like to get the phone shipped as soon as possible, but what about the OS choice ?
Will the phone be shipped with Android or B2G as default ?

Lets hope the first batch can be shipped to ALL previous Peak+ customers that opted for the Revolution.
I really do not want to wait for a second batch.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 23, 2014, 04:30:56 AM

I would like to get the phone shipped as soon as possible, but what about the OS choice ?
Will the phone be shipped with Android or B2G as default ?

Lets hope the first batch can be shipped to ALL previous Peak+ customers that opted for the Revolution.
I really do not want to wait for a second batch.



When I got it right, then the phone will be shipped with Firefox OS, because Peak+ was also a firefox os phone project.  8)

Rodrigo promised us, that the Peak+ preorders are the FIRST one which get the new phone  ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: cfenzo on January 23, 2014, 04:38:31 AM
From geeksphone.com/revolution:
Quote
Starting with Google® Android™ operating system, you can seamlessly switch to Boot2Gecko by Mozilla, or any other community-supported flavor of an OS. You choose, and we will keep you updated thanks to our 1-click OTA system.

As it's MP, and straight from the assembly-line (via Spain), I would assume they'll be shipped with Android.
Haveing GP open up the phones and do the switch to B2G before they ship it would add a lot of extra work on their part (delay on our part)..
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 23, 2014, 04:47:05 AM
From geeksphone.com/revolution:
Quote
Starting with Google® Android™ operating system, you can seamlessly switch to Boot2Gecko by Mozilla, or any other community-supported flavor of an OS. You choose, and we will keep you updated thanks to our 1-click OTA system.

As it's MP, and straight from the assembly-line (via Spain), I would assume they'll be shipped with Android.
Haveing GP open up the phones and do the switch to B2G before they ship it would add a lot of extra work on their part (delay on our part)..

Oh thanks for the information  :(  :o

A good start: Holding a brand new phone in hands and have to flash it  ???

I'm not amused
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: cfenzo on January 23, 2014, 04:51:28 AM
From geeksphone.com/revolution:
Quote
Starting with Google® Android™ operating system, you can seamlessly switch to Boot2Gecko by Mozilla, or any other community-supported flavor of an OS. You choose, and we will keep you updated thanks to our 1-click OTA system.

As it's MP, and straight from the assembly-line (via Spain), I would assume they'll be shipped with Android.
Haveing GP open up the phones and do the switch to B2G before they ship it would add a lot of extra work on their part (delay on our part)..

Oh thanks for the information  :(  :o

A good start: Holding a brand new phone in hands and have to flash it  ???

I'm not amused

Well, I could be wrong.. Just sounds logical (and practical), and results in less delay before we get the phones..
I'd rather flash my phone when I get it, than wait another 2-3 days..

And, at least I don't have to sync it with itunes before use  :P
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: haasis on January 23, 2014, 08:33:41 AM
Quote
Starting with Google® Android™ operating system, you can seamlessly switch to Boot2Gecko by Mozilla, or any other community-supported flavor of an OS. You choose, and we will keep you updated thanks to our 1-click OTA system.

It sounds for me that it will be easy to change to Firefox OS - without flashing.

Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on January 23, 2014, 11:44:30 AM
From geeksphone.com/revolution:
Quote
Starting with Google® Android™ operating system, you can seamlessly switch to Boot2Gecko by Mozilla, or any other community-supported flavor of an OS. You choose, and we will keep you updated thanks to our 1-click OTA system.

As it's MP, and straight from the assembly-line (via Spain), I would assume they'll be shipped with Android.
Haveing GP open up the phones and do the switch to B2G before they ship it would add a lot of extra work on their part (delay on our part)..

Yes - I'd rather have Android, since I already have a ZTE Open running FxOS/B2G 1.3 nightly. Speaking of which, Firefox for Android, especially Nightly, will run most of the applications in the Mozilla Marketplace. It's *way* ahead of B2G, although B2G will catch up in the near future. On my Android tablet, I don't even run the Android Twitter app any more - I use Firefox Nightly on mobile.twitter.com
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on January 24, 2014, 12:39:54 AM
more pics http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/post/74292066943/2gp-qsg  ???
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: nbourdais on January 24, 2014, 01:11:28 AM
more pics http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/post/74292066943/2gp-qsg  ???
I hope it means MP is going on well...
Rodrigo or Luis : is there any chance to get a report on MP and perhaps an estimated date of delivery (end of january, or later..)?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 24, 2014, 10:13:46 AM
Monday there will be a new press release, so i think we receive monday more information about the MP, and i hope more details and the shipping date.
I dont know what they will tell us about the last image on thumblr.
maybe that the GP HQ is ready for the release? And they receive the 2GP & QSG, so the paper work is on schedule.
I hope GP can tell us more about this.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Wad on January 24, 2014, 01:53:22 PM
Monday, I hope that we will get all specs of the phone.
I mean if MP started this week (that's what I read from Rodrigo), Geeksphone should be able to tell us all specification otherwise there is a problem. ???
Wait and see.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: nishkarr on January 26, 2014, 11:08:27 PM
Its finally the last week of January :-) I'm very excited about the Revolution.

Hope to get some more good news today :-)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 27, 2014, 12:37:50 AM

Hope to get some more good news today :-)

I hope to get the REVOLUTION today  ;D :D


and the missing answers on our questions in this and the other topic about the revolution  ::)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: dworkin on January 27, 2014, 12:52:09 AM
> I hope to get the REVOLUTION today  ;D :D
> and the missing answers on our questions in this and the other topic about the revolution  ::)

Second that!
It's very frustrating to watch Silent Circle and GeeksPhone announce Blackphone with some pomp and circumstance,
while we're still sitting here waiting for news.

https://www.blackphone.ch/ (https://www.blackphone.ch/)

Is it because it's "black" phone that we're being kept "in the dark"?

-f
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ifadey on January 27, 2014, 05:53:30 AM
> I hope to get the REVOLUTION today  ;D :D
> and the missing answers on our questions in this and the other topic about the revolution  ::)

Second that!
It's very frustrating to watch Silent Circle and GeeksPhone announce Blackphone with some pomp and circumstance,
while we're still sitting here waiting for news.

https://www.blackphone.ch/ (https://www.blackphone.ch/)

Is it because it's "black" phone that we're being kept "in the dark"?

-f


Keep one thing in mind. If you are interested in using Android, only then wait for Blackphone. The aim of Blackphone is to give Android users privacy.

Firefox OS users don't need such kind of phones because it's already 100% open and don't have any surveillance kind of thing in it. Actually all Mozilla products are surveillance free.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on January 27, 2014, 06:52:40 AM
Actually all Mozilla products are surveillance free.

You can't say that. in FFOS, nothing is encrypted by default (sms, call...), whereas it should be the case in PrivatOS (adroid in blackphone).

So, you can easily be big brothered ^^

Moreover, it is not because it is free-software that it is secure. Maybe there are security breaches that nobody have seen yet (NSA used a bug in firefox to spy TOR network...).

Generally, you are never really safe.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: marc on January 27, 2014, 07:01:00 AM
Actually all Mozilla products are surveillance free.

You can't say that. in FFOS, nothing is encrypted by default (sms, call...), whereas it should be the case in PrivatOS (adroid in blackphone).

So, you can easily be big brothered ^^

Moreover, it is not because it is free-software that it is secure. Maybe there are security breaches that nobody have seen yet (NSA used a bug in firefox to spy TOR network...).

Generally, you are never really safe.

And remember, Google is the biggest sponsor of Mozilla ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Foundation ) :)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on January 27, 2014, 07:49:40 AM
Hello,

New Geeksphone landing page will be online in a moment. Stay tuned.... ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Wad on January 27, 2014, 10:05:38 AM
I guess that it's a big moment  ;) ;D
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on January 27, 2014, 10:15:45 AM
here we are!!! the revolution page has been updated!!!

Quote
Maintenance Mode

Geeksphone is currently undergoing scheduled maintenance.


Sorry for the inconvenience.

 ;D
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 27, 2014, 10:33:16 AM
still not available and no new answers on our questions...

geeksphone, that is not ok :-(

and don't say that you do not know which questions we mean - there are several questions which are still not answered , especially the second topic, created by BooBoo  includes many new questions about hardware!
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: karl on January 27, 2014, 10:53:48 AM
Come on GP!!
It's an update!!
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Wad on January 27, 2014, 11:21:13 AM
So, we need to wait again.  :( That's a shame but can we at least get all specs of the revolution phone, please? :P
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on January 27, 2014, 11:33:33 AM
@GP: I really worried about the pregant woman... She should have gave birth a while ago... can we have some information please?
if one server is down, the forum is still alive... You promised news today, give it to us. no matter if it is not on the official webpage...


no related: sometimes, I go in the spanish part of the forum. Just to see how bad I am in spanish :(
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: 00coco00 on January 27, 2014, 01:05:55 PM
Geeksphone site has changed !
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Assimilationstheorie on January 27, 2014, 01:08:47 PM
FuckIt. I love You Geeksphone.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Vincenzo on January 27, 2014, 01:16:23 PM
Wow !
Full specs, final aspect of the phone, officially present on the index of the site.

I ♥ GP !
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: lupus on January 27, 2014, 01:17:02 PM
Hi there
I have another question to you: will it be possible to change the FFOS version later on? or will it remain FFOS 1.2?

thanks!
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on January 27, 2014, 01:27:28 PM
Hi there
I have another question to you: will it be possible to change the FFOS version later on? or will it remain FFOS 1.2?

thanks!

Hello Lupus,

Of course. Here you can see what we have for the Keon and the Peak http://downloads.geeksphone.com (http://downloads.geeksphone.com)

It will be the same for the Revolution in OTA.

Thanks for the support..... ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on January 27, 2014, 01:33:44 PM
hum... I don't see if it has wi-fi or not  :-[

otherwise, it looks pretty. I was scared with the black & white thing, but it seems to be great :)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: lupus on January 27, 2014, 01:34:55 PM
Hello Lupus,

Of course. Here you can see what we have for the Keon and the Peak http://downloads.geeksphone.com (http://downloads.geeksphone.com)

It will be the same for the Revolution in OTA.

Thanks for the support..... ;)

Thanks for your fast reply!
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Assimilationstheorie on January 27, 2014, 01:39:26 PM
But Keon and Peak is dead...sure.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Wad on January 27, 2014, 01:48:37 PM
Ok, it is still good to be patient, I like the phone and the specs :) :D
Thanks for the specs ^^

hum... I don't see if it has wi-fi or not  :-[
+1, I'm also interested to know  :P

Now I can't wait to get my hands on this phone.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on January 27, 2014, 01:57:42 PM
The waiting has been worth it :D I want my revolution now or asap ;) 
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 27, 2014, 02:00:59 PM
Wow !
Full specs, final aspect of the phone, officially present on the index of the site.



- And what about the Bluetooth module? ;) Is it Bluetooth 3.0?
- Do we get an external micro SD card? Samsung and the others often include 1 or 2 GB micro SD cards - not too much, but hey, it's something  :D
- Is it micro SIM or normal SIM ?
- Are ear plugs included ?


Folks, did GP really answer ALL your questions with that update ?  ;)  :P


Quote

I ♥ GP !


I TRUST again in GP - no more but also no less  :)


BUT, I have to admit, nice page for the REVOLUTION  8)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 27, 2014, 02:11:19 PM
But Keon and Peak is dead...sure.

Why are you afraid about that? Did GP quote that sentence?

They didn't disappear, they are just available under that link

http://shop.geeksphone.com/en/ (http://shop.geeksphone.com/en/)

I THINK they will support the developer phones as long as possible - new firefox os versions will bring new features and so they will bring new opportunities for developers. As Geeksphone are the only ones which sell developer phones, it would be a shame when they stop after version 1.3 for KEON & PEAK.
It's just my opinion - of course they can't give us the guarantee that they will support the phones until Firefox OS 2.0 (especially the KEON will surely be the first phone which will be abandoned due to performance problems with future versions ...  :(  )
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on January 27, 2014, 02:12:35 PM
I have asked to add to the Web:

WiFi 802.11 b/g/n
Bluetooth Class 3.0
GPS/AGPS

As usual in any good Smartphone.

And yes, ear plug included, with MicroSIM.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 27, 2014, 02:18:54 PM
muchas gracias rodrigo ;-)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on January 27, 2014, 02:21:25 PM
I have asked to add to the Web:

WiFi 802.11 b/g/n
Bluetooth Class 3.0
GPS/AGPS

As usual in any good Smartphone.

And yes, ear plug included, with MicroSIM.

OK thank you :)
I was just scared that there weren't wifi nor bluetooth... As it will be my first phone with wifi \o/
So, what is the estimated delivery date?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on January 27, 2014, 02:29:26 PM
muchas gracias rodrigo ;-)

Danke schön! Bada3.0 ;)
   
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on January 28, 2014, 12:14:18 AM
Thanks for the update of the homepage
Most we already know, but i like the new pictures.

Is the MP on schedule?
And can you ship the phone this week? (first batch late January)
What about the Android version, is kitkat (4.4) installed or Jelly Bean (4.1-4.3)?
Screen protection, like gorilla glass?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Wad on January 28, 2014, 12:15:48 AM
Thanks a lot Rodrigo.
As the Revolution phone will be my first smartphone, I'm like a little kid who is waiting for his toy  ;D
Will the first batch be sent this week or next one?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Forza21 on January 28, 2014, 12:34:14 AM
I'm starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. This started a long time ago.

The bottom links does not work, they are not... links. ???

We need info about the schedule or MP progress, and I'm curious... how much will it cost to people who had not ordered the Peak+?

Thank you.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on January 28, 2014, 12:42:34 AM
how much will it cost to people who had not ordered the Peak+?

from rodrigo (https://forum.geeksphone.com/index.php?topic=5797.msg62683#msg62683):
it will be a bit more than 200€
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 28, 2014, 01:00:06 AM
Thanks a lot Rodrigo.
As the Revolution phone will be my first smartphone, I'm like a little kid who is waiting for his toy  ;D
Will the first batch be sent this week or next one?

I really hope to find a UPS package from Spain when I come home from work this evening  ;)

I mean, it's the 28th = end of january  :P
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on January 28, 2014, 01:19:49 AM
Hello,

We need to have more patience, first MP was finished in factory, and after packaging, shipments, we have to pass thru customs and it take a time.

After that, devices will flight to Madrid, where from our logistics we will send it.

Thanks.... ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 28, 2014, 02:30:21 AM
Hello,

We need to have more patience, first MP was finished in factory, and after packaging, shipments, we have to pass thru customs and it take a time.

After that, devices will flight to Madrid, where from our logistics we will send it.

Thanks.... ;)

So receiving the new phone this week will be very "complicated" ?   :-\
Do you know if there is a chance to get the phone this week?

What could be the "worst case"? Friday next week (07.02.2014)  :-[
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on January 28, 2014, 02:55:45 AM
from what he said:
3 days to do what takes time (didn't understand what it is)
2 days to arrive in Madrid and be received by GP
-> 5 days, end of the first week. knowing that it is chinese new year, we are approximatively on the 4 / 5 of february

after that, 1 or 2 days before final shipment plus 2 days to deliver it in your home.

I would say the week of the 10 of february...
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 28, 2014, 03:49:56 AM
from what he said:
3 days to do what takes time (didn't understand what it is)
2 days to arrive in Madrid and be received by GP
-> 5 days, end of the first week. knowing that it is chinese new year, we are approximatively on the 4 / 5 of february

after that, 1 or 2 days before final shipment plus 2 days to deliver it in your home.

I would say the week of the 10 of february...

Thank you for that overview - unfortunately not the answer I wanted to hear  :'(

Maybe Rodrigo can tell us if it really takes that long ?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: nishkarr on January 29, 2014, 01:41:45 PM
I wonder how many units were manufactured as part of the first batch? Would it be enough to fulfill ALL the Peak+ pre-orders or would some of us still have to wait for more batches to go to MP?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on January 31, 2014, 12:59:40 AM
Hm no Updates about delivery date? :-( man, would have been cool to test the phone over the weekend...

hope to receive it on Monday / Tuesday!

have a nice weekend everybody :-)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: chrisphl on February 02, 2014, 12:45:38 AM
LOL everybody knows about chinese new year. But for GP it is surprisingly there...
P.S.: Chinese new year lasts for a whole week.
Title: News of Firefox0S
Post by: Desiderius on February 03, 2014, 12:43:29 AM
Hi all

Still waiting for the Revolution :(

But look at the news for Firefox OS that have been announced at Fosdem this week-end :

http://fabi1cazenave.github.io/slides/2014-fosdem/?full#cover
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on February 03, 2014, 03:03:11 AM
please geeksphone... we now have the full specs, that's great. but we need to know how is going the MP. obviously, the first batch have not been sent in january... So, where are you? and what is the new estimated delivery date?

when you told us there were some problems, we were comprehensive... Just tell us what's going on, and when should we receive our phones :)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on February 03, 2014, 04:27:21 AM
please geeksphone... we now have the full specs, that's great. but we need to know how is going the MP. obviously, the first batch have not been sent in january... So, where are you? and what is the new estimated delivery date?

when you told us there were some problems, we were comprehensive... Just tell us what's going on, and when should we receive our phones :)


Indeed, xinouch!

We want to know when we receive our phones. Please give us detailed information - not something like:

"You have to be patient. Thank you .........  ;) "


Please keep on telling us if there's something going wrong - Is there a chance to get the phone this week?  ???
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on February 03, 2014, 05:25:04 AM
Hi,

You will receive a Newsletter in the next hours.

We are still with the importation process and we estimate that first units of Revolution will be send by February the 14th.... ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on February 03, 2014, 06:53:42 AM
zOMG! it is far after what I expected...
Does everybody who ordered peak+ will be deliver by this first batch? Or some of us will have to wait longer?

(Moreover, I don't remember to have subscribed to any newsletter...)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: plop on February 03, 2014, 07:39:29 AM
we estimate that first units of Revolution will be send by February the 14th.... ;)

Is it the optimistic or the pessimistic estimation ?
I hope it's the pessimist one  :-[
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on February 03, 2014, 07:48:49 AM
we estimate that first units of Revolution will be send by February the 14th.... ;)

Is it the optimistic or the pessimistic estimation ?
I hope it's the pessimist one  :-[

Rodrigo is always optimistic  ;)

So we have to wait at least 2 weeks...
Rodrigo, thanks for the update!
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on February 03, 2014, 07:56:48 AM
Why the old Andoid 4.2.2?
That version is 1 year old...
http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/post/75476575007/my-revolution
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: luis.cuervo on February 03, 2014, 09:03:05 AM
Why the old Andoid 4.2.2?
That version is 1 year old...
http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/post/75476575007/my-revolution

Because almost all devices with FFOS have only 4.2.2 and FFOS is based on it.

Ah, a good new... there is many possibilities that the version of Firefox OS will be 1.3. :)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on February 03, 2014, 12:02:51 PM
Why the old Andoid 4.2.2?
That version is 1 year old...
http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/post/75476575007/my-revolution

Because almost all devices with FFOS have only 4.2.2 and FFOS is based on it.

Ah, a good new... there is many possibilities that the version of Firefox OS will be 1.3. :)

Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on February 03, 2014, 12:24:55 PM
Hi,

You will receive a Newsletter in the next hours.

We are still with the importation process and we estimate that first units of Revolution will be send by February the 14th.... ;)

Thanks for the update, but i didn't receive a newsletter.
Is this already send?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on February 03, 2014, 12:28:18 PM
Why the old Andoid 4.2.2?
That version is 1 year old...
http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/post/75476575007/my-revolution

Because almost all devices with FFOS have only 4.2.2 and FFOS is based on it.

Ah, a good new... there is many possibilities that the version of Firefox OS will be 1.3. :)

Thanks for the answer, FF OS 1.3 would be nice!
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on February 04, 2014, 02:42:24 AM
Did anyone receive a newsletter?  :(

Well I am disappointed that the shipment takes time to end of february  :(

But I am more disappointed about the fact that we had to ask several times for that information - seems they didn't learn anything what we told about communication between user and company  :-X


I hope that THIS is the LAST DELAY!  ::)  ???
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on February 04, 2014, 03:14:27 AM
No. I don't have anything. one day to send a mail, I understand why I'm still waiting my phone...

I am very, very angry  >:( we should have our phone by the beginning of february...
good to update this: http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/post/75476536359/first-cardboard-box-of-first-batch
http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/post/75476575007/my-revolution

but we will not see this box at home until at least a month...

actually, the forum works so bad (slow + 500 errors... I just got another one when I posted this message), the tumblr is not synced with the geeksphone website, we still have informations AFTER the VERY LAST moment (we know yesterday that the phones have not been sent by the end of january...), we have to wait a day for an unknown mail...
WTF!!!
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ochorocho on February 04, 2014, 03:15:49 AM
Nope, did not receive any Newsletter from Geeksphone.

I follow this since i Pre-Ordered Peak+ .... pretty much the same.
Geeksphone is not able to interact with the community properly.

Imho, delay happens when you do such a project but for me as a user i what to know about that.
Get info about the progress.
And answers like "its done when its done" or "You will receive a Newsletter in the next hours."!!

Do not promise anything you cant keep!
This is really pissing people off! ...

Cheers,
ochorocho
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: nishkarr on February 04, 2014, 03:24:26 AM
I also did not get a newsletter.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on February 04, 2014, 03:41:25 AM
Rodrigo, when did you release the dove with the newsletter?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on February 04, 2014, 08:07:47 AM
The dove has receive my mailbox, i think he had a hard flight from spain ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ochorocho on February 04, 2014, 08:48:16 AM
Thanks for the info via Newsletter ... 10 days left to wait.
Looking forward to get my REVOLUTION! .......

Cheers,
ochorocho
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: haasis on February 04, 2014, 10:55:30 AM
Why the old Andoid 4.2.2?
That version is 1 year old...
http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/post/75476575007/my-revolution

Because almost all devices with FFOS have only 4.2.2 and FFOS is based on it.

Ah, a good new... there is many possibilities that the version of Firefox OS will be 1.3. :)

"Because almost all devices with FFOS have only 4.2.2 and FFOS is based on it." What does this mean? Could anybody explain?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: soupytwist on February 04, 2014, 11:43:11 AM
Waiting since July... great news to have a ship date! Excited to get my hands on the Revolution!

PS. Don't everyone get angry when it doesn't show up at your doorstep on Feb 14  ;)  they said it ships by then, Geeksphone are not wizards  ;D
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on February 04, 2014, 12:45:08 PM
waiting since july too, can't believe to get my Revolution :D very excited
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: luis.cuervo on February 05, 2014, 12:56:12 AM
"Because almost all devices with FFOS have only 4.2.2 and FFOS is based on it." What does this mean? Could anybody explain?

FFOS has Android as base, and by default uses 4.2.2.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on February 05, 2014, 04:24:36 AM
Shipping on the 14th - nice, so I should hold it in my hands on the 18th  :)

I don't want to wait longer!  :-X
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on February 05, 2014, 05:44:04 AM
Shipping on the 14th - nice, so I should hold it in my hands on the 18th  :)

I don't want to wait longer!  :-X

Dear Bada3.0

In Geeksphone we are impatient that you receive your Revolution.... ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on February 05, 2014, 07:13:27 AM
Shipping on the 14th - nice, so I should hold it in my hands on the 18th  :)

I don't want to wait longer!  :-X

Dear Bada3.0

In Geeksphone we are impatient that you receive your Revolution.... ;)


Aaah thank you Rodrigo  :D
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: nishkarr on February 06, 2014, 12:55:22 AM
I pre-ordered in August, I hope I'm part of this first batch.

So excited! The wait is killing me!
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on February 10, 2014, 04:19:05 AM
So is everything still fine with the 14th, Rodrigo?

Sorry for the question but I nearlly can't believe that the phone will reach me at last  ;)  :P

Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on February 10, 2014, 04:46:20 AM
lol! I wanted to ask the same question...

I'd add: will you send us an e-mail when our phone will be shipped? will we be able to track our package?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on February 10, 2014, 09:23:20 AM
lol! I wanted to ask the same question...

I'd add: will you send us an e-mail when our phone will be shipped? will we be able to track our package?

Yes and yes.

We haven't any delay for the moment.... ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: jorge.alves on February 10, 2014, 11:14:14 AM
Are there going to be pictures/videos of the phones arriving in madrid?
:)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on February 11, 2014, 09:41:29 AM
http://youtu.be/AVN6l-Ey6YQ (http://youtu.be/AVN6l-Ey6YQ)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: soupytwist on February 11, 2014, 09:54:11 AM
http://youtu.be/AVN6l-Ey6YQ (http://youtu.be/AVN6l-Ey6YQ)

1.3!  ;D  Looks great!
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Wad on February 11, 2014, 10:22:32 AM
I want the phone  :P :P
It seems really smooth and I like it  :D

Geeksphone are not wizards  ;D
Nope but UPS are ^^'

1.3!  ;D  Looks great!
+1
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on February 11, 2014, 10:59:58 AM
http://youtu.be/BK4-zS0f_RE (http://youtu.be/BK4-zS0f_RE)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on February 11, 2014, 11:38:07 AM
that sounds great!!!
At least, it means that you have received the phones, and you are ready to send them :D (I hope ^^)

but *please* when you make a video, do not record it under a light... we barely see the screen and the fingerprints are very visible ;)

waiting to handle it soon!!!!
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on February 11, 2014, 12:02:20 PM
brace yourself... revolution is coming xD I'm dying to get The phone ;) hope to receive it on Monday or tuesday
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Vincenzo on February 11, 2014, 01:23:01 PM
https://twitter.com/dokape/status/433347854510215168

I see the end of the tunnel ! Check your order status from now :p
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on February 11, 2014, 01:40:10 PM
not shipped for me :(
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: jfch on February 11, 2014, 01:55:25 PM
Hi,

I just checked my account and that says "shipped" :) (order #002483)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: soupytwist on February 11, 2014, 02:06:40 PM
Hi,

I just checked my account and that says "shipped" :) (order #002483)

+1 very exciting!  8)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: haasis on February 11, 2014, 02:27:14 PM
Where can I login the the online-shop?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: jorge.alves on February 11, 2014, 03:15:43 PM
http://youtu.be/AVN6l-Ey6YQ (http://youtu.be/AVN6l-Ey6YQ)

Hey, nice! I was actually kidding. :)

Btw, the online shop is having trouble sending emails for password recovery purposes, at least.



Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on February 11, 2014, 10:39:56 PM
#003550 is not shipped
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Ijon_Tichy on February 11, 2014, 11:05:20 PM
How can I check whether my GP is shipped or not?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: jfch on February 11, 2014, 11:23:51 PM
How can I check whether my GP is shipped or not?
https://shop.geeksphone.com/en/order-history
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: plop on February 11, 2014, 11:55:31 PM
#003211 not shipped yet  :(  :'(
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on February 12, 2014, 12:24:00 AM
shop-account login and order-list are down at the moment...  :(

Edit: Proxy problem in work  ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on February 12, 2014, 12:27:33 AM
for me it works :D
If they send them in the order, I'll have to wait :( the last one who had its command shipped was around #2400...
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on February 12, 2014, 01:23:13 AM
#3538 not shipped yet  ;)

I ordered on 25th of august
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on February 12, 2014, 01:42:26 AM
Order number #002948 marked as shipped since 11.02.2014, preorder my Peak + on 27th of july
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: nbourdais on February 12, 2014, 01:53:22 AM
Order #002547 made the 25th of july is marked as shipped  :D

Edit :
Will we receive a mail with a shipping code to track the delivery?
I'm really excited and looking forward to put my hands on Revolution.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: jfch on February 12, 2014, 04:51:19 AM
I didn't receive any email yet and don't have any tracking number. So I don't know if it's really in the UPS hands.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on February 12, 2014, 04:57:17 AM
I didn't receive any email yet and don't have any tracking number. So I don't know if it's really in the UPS hands.

I also don't have any tracking number yet, but we have the geeksphone order number and I think that people above #3500 have a good chance to get a shipping today  ;) Well,... in fact I hope so  8)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on February 12, 2014, 05:05:16 AM
I also don't have any tracking number yet, but we have the geeksphone order number and I think that people above #3500 have a good chance to get a shipping today  ;) Well,... in fact I hope so  8)

you meant "below"? ;)
I'm #003415 and it is still not shipped :(
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on February 12, 2014, 05:15:13 AM
i think shipped mean shipped to Madrid/geeksphone. when UPS get the order we will get a trackingcode! and this will happen on  friday the 14th i hope!
 don't panic
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on February 12, 2014, 05:19:53 AM
I also don't have any tracking number yet, but we have the geeksphone order number and I think that people above #3500 have a good chance to get a shipping today  ;) Well,... in fact I hope so  8)

you meant "below"? ;)
I'm #003415 and it is still not shipped :(

No no I meant that "we" (3400 / 3500) have a good chance to be ALSO part of the shipping status because they shipped from yesterday (evening?) until this morning about 2500 (?)

So in my opinion we have a small chance to be also part of todays shipping process  8)

But as I told you: It's more hoping than believing  ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: jfch on February 12, 2014, 05:24:58 AM
I didn't receive any email yet and don't have any tracking number. So I don't know if it's really in the UPS hands.

I also don't have any tracking number yet, but we have the geeksphone order number and I think that people above #3500 have a good chance to get a shipping today  ;) Well,... in fact I hope so  8)

I mean, my order is already marked shipped but I don't have the UPS tracking number yet
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on February 12, 2014, 05:31:41 AM
No no I meant that "we" (3400 / 3500) have a good chance to be ALSO part of the shipping status because they shipped from yesterday (evening?) until this morning about 2500 (?)

So in my opinion we have a small chance to be also part of todays shipping process  8)

But as I told you: It's more hoping than believing  ;)
OK I misunderstood :p
I really hope it too! Actually, I'm hitting F5 continuously to see if it is updated into "shipped" ;D
The last who said it was shipped was #29XX...
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on February 12, 2014, 05:34:42 AM
GP say they will ship it around the 14th, meaby is the phone not realy shipped, and around the 14th you receive the track link.

But my previous Geeksphone was realy quick delivered:

Spain   
19th    11:57   
@UPS

Netherlands
20th    12:49   
@home
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on February 12, 2014, 05:35:18 AM
OK I misunderstood :p
I really hope it too! Actually, I'm hitting F5 continuously to see if it is updated into "shipped" ;D
The last who said it was shipped was #29XX...

me too  ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: plop on February 12, 2014, 05:36:44 AM
No no I meant that "we" (3400 / 3500) have a good chance to be ALSO part of the shipping status because they shipped from yesterday (evening?) until this morning about 2500 (?)

So in my opinion we have a small chance to be also part of todays shipping process  8)


Maybe there was only 3000 Revolution in first batch  ;D
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on February 12, 2014, 05:39:35 AM
I think in the order count it contain also the Peak and Keon phones ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on February 12, 2014, 05:58:48 AM
Did you recognize, that they changed the style of that forum? Or am I the only one here which can see this?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on February 12, 2014, 07:09:29 AM
nothing changed for me :p
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: joogl on February 12, 2014, 07:28:41 AM
Hello guys,

how is it possible for me to order the Revolution? I have not orderd Peak + so there is no waiting list for me...

thank you very much.
I am really waiting like you, because I absolutely want this phone.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on February 12, 2014, 07:31:57 AM
If you dont have order a Peak+, i think you can order the 20th the Revolution.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: nbourdais on February 12, 2014, 08:01:48 AM
Did you see this video by Engadget en español ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSaW9Qq_ma4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSaW9Qq_ma4)
It's quite interesting even if I don't speak any spanish
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on February 12, 2014, 12:21:04 PM
Geeksphone CEO Javier wrote me today "Revolutions are not shipping yet", what unfortunately means your order status is fake.

If there is a tracking number for UPS it will be hard to fake the shipping  ;)

But yes, the shipping is OFFICIALLY on friday not today or tomorrow  :)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on February 13, 2014, 06:23:09 AM
Nothing new until now...  :(

No tracking number & no shipping status....
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: caprican on February 13, 2014, 06:26:26 AM
Geeksphone CEO Javier wrote me today "Revolutions are not shipping yet", what unfortunately means your order status is fake.

If there is a tracking number for UPS it will be hard to fake the shipping  ;)

But yes, the shipping is OFFICIALLY on friday not today or tomorrow  :)

So why Geeksphone retweet this :

Retweeté par Geeksphone
@dokape ‏@dokape 11 févr.
Uih. My @geeksphone #revolution is marked as SHIPPED. Helau!
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: coyan on February 13, 2014, 06:32:31 AM
I asked some questions in spanish forum (https://forum.geeksphone.com/index.php?topic=5797.msg62889#msg62889) here a resume in English:

1) When you change the Operating System you will loose all data. If you want to save your Android's data you will need an App that saves your data. If you want to save FirefoxOS/B2G data you need ADB (by saving "data" partition).

2) The change of a system is done downloading the image of that system. But it can be used a update.zip on the SD to change from Android to B2G.

3) The network installation downloads a zip and when it finish this zip is deleted. If you want change the system without network you must use the update.zip form.

4) The B2G (FirefoxOS without branding) is done in a similar way that in the Peak/Keon (but with more "hacks" due the Intel platform). In a near future they will publish their Gaia/Gecko.

5) The flashing when a system is changed is fast, around 5 minutes (plus the time that the downloading takes), for example the Peak image of B2G 1.2 is near 120MB).

6) Revolution isn't a developer phone, so the B2G updates won't be a daily update.

7) By the moment there aren't tests with others systems, are there any volunteers? :)

8 ) If you hate Android you can use ADB to change the system on your first use.

9) The Revolution's Android is a AOSP that means that Google Apps aren't in the box, but with a option in settings you can install them by pressing a button.

Sorry for my bad English, if you want a Google translation here you can find here (http://translate.google.es/translate?hl=es&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.geeksphone.com%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D5797.msg62889%23msg62889).
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on February 13, 2014, 07:29:42 AM
Thank you for your engagement coyan  :)

Karma +1  ;D

Sailfish OS would be interesting on that smartphone but I am not a developer...

AND... first of all I want to believe in firefox OS   ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: znmeb on February 13, 2014, 05:30:28 PM
I asked some questions in spanish forum (https://forum.geeksphone.com/index.php?topic=5797.msg62889#msg62889) here a resume in English:

1) When you change the Operating System you will loose all data. If you want to save your Android's data you will need an App that saves your data. If you want to save FirefoxOS/B2G data you need ADB (by saving "data" partition).

2) The change of a system is done downloading the image of that system. But it can be used a update.zip on the SD to change from Android to B2G.

3) The network installation downloads a zip and when it finish this zip is deleted. If you want change the system without network you must use the update.zip form.

4) The B2G (FirefoxOS without branding) is done in a similar way that in the Peak/Keon (but with more "hacks" due the Intel platform). In a near future they will publish their Gaia/Gecko.

5) The flashing when a system is changed is fast, around 5 minutes (plus the time that the downloading takes), for example the Peak image of B2G 1.2 is near 120MB).

6) Revolution isn't a developer phone, so the B2G updates won't be a daily update.

7) By the moment there aren't tests with others systems, are there any volunteers? :)

8 ) If you hate Android you can use ADB to change the system on your first use.

9) The Revolution's Android is a AOSP that means that Google Apps aren't in the box, but with a option in settings you can install them by pressing a button.

Sorry for my bad English, if you want a Google translation here you can find here (http://translate.google.es/translate?hl=es&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.geeksphone.com%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D5797.msg62889%23msg62889).

This sounds a bit like the ZTE Open - updates are zip files and you can apply them from the SD card. The difference is that I don't think there's a "stock Android" build floating around for the ZTE Open - the only thing you can run on it is Firefox OS / Boot to Gecko.

I've seen nothing go by on the Mozilla web sites I track about a "port" of Boot to Gecko to an Intel phone of any kind. For the moment, Mozilla seems to be focusing on porting / testing on an ARM tablet and maintenance on existing ARM phones that they're shipping in Europe, Latin America and in the near future South Asia (Bangladesh, I think). So Geekphone's port of B2G for the Revolution may be the only Intel FxOS port we see for a while.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Javier (gp) on February 13, 2014, 09:18:20 PM
Updates can be downloaded OTA, and you can switch the OS with 3 clicks OTA too.

If you want to backup (NANDdroid) you can do it easily, but it's a manual process we have not yet automated.

And yes! Our port to Android is first-of-its-kind. We will commit all of our improvements to the source code repo of Mozilla.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on February 13, 2014, 09:30:41 PM
good morning everybody! :)

today is the official day of shipping the revolution. The waiting is nearly over: more then 6 months of browsing this forum & the internet for further information about peak+ / revolution / firefox os are coming to an end. I can't describe how many different feelings and emotions I felt in this period of time: anger, hate, fear (of money loss) but also positive ones like luck and anticipation :)

for those of you who receive their revolution today, I wish you a "revolutionary" weekend of testing the revolution - gentlemen this phone is the most powerful firefox os phone which is available at the moment :-)

enjoy your time and share your experiences with the rest of us ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on February 14, 2014, 02:43:01 AM
well... for me, it is still fear until I have the phone in my hand :p
actually, my last statement in my command is
Quote
12/5/2013 12:51:08   Cambiado por REVOLUTION

Will it be updated soon? will you really send the phones today?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on February 14, 2014, 02:59:05 AM
Same with me here, buddy.

No Tracking number until now - let's give them time to update the status

SHIPPING has a higher priority for me than documentation  ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on February 14, 2014, 04:55:52 AM
Shipment starts
http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/post/76622175667/shipment-starts
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on February 14, 2014, 04:59:34 AM
Shipment starts
http://geeksphone.tumblr.com/post/76622175667/shipment-starts
Yeeeeeeehaaaaaaaw  ;D ;D  :D

thanks for the information  :)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on February 14, 2014, 05:00:44 AM
That's exciting :)
I really hope I'll be in this first batch  :-[
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on February 14, 2014, 09:20:40 AM
did they update your order-list? I still have no shipping proof and no tracking number :-(
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: soupytwist on February 14, 2014, 09:49:35 AM
did they update your order-list? I still have no shipping proof and no tracking number :-(

Still just marked as "Shipped" for me since Tuesday. Waiting on that tracking number...  ???
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on February 14, 2014, 10:42:45 AM
I have like a very bad feeling... it is not now they will send it... so we will have to wait until monday at least...

what could be great would be to have some news from GP... Like: how many have been sent and how many remains?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: jfch on February 14, 2014, 12:23:55 PM


Still just marked as "Shipped" for me since Tuesday. Waiting on that tracking number...  ???

Same for me...
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on February 14, 2014, 11:30:38 PM
So, we are the 15th... I don't have any track number, my command status tells me it is not shipped yet... What you, at Geeksphone's, can say?
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on February 15, 2014, 02:08:59 AM
Same with me here :( i hope the first batch is not over yet ...
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Caribou on February 15, 2014, 02:15:23 AM
Hi all,

I received my UPS tracking number, the package is well on February 14, delivery is expected on February 17 in France. For the moment the package arrived in Germany.

A++
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on February 15, 2014, 02:20:57 AM
@ Caribou did you receive an email? if so  I can stop hitting the F5 button and i can save the live of my keyboard  :D
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Caribou on February 15, 2014, 02:31:25 AM
@Pavl Yes i received an UPS email's. Keeps alive your keyboard :-)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on February 15, 2014, 02:50:57 AM
well so i will be patient and w8 and w8 and w8  8)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on February 15, 2014, 09:05:04 AM
OK, so I haven't receive any mail from anyone, I can say that I'm fucked...

GP: when will I receive my phone? (#003415) I don't think this is a difficult question... please answer :)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: soupytwist on February 15, 2014, 12:50:10 PM
OK, so I haven't receive any mail from anyone

same here... Shipping to USA. My order says shipped but no evidence... I ordered the first day of Peak+ sale. Would like to hear something geeksphone
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on February 15, 2014, 02:12:26 PM
OK, so I haven't receive any mail from anyone, I can say that I'm fucked...

GP: when will I receive my phone? (#003415) I don't think this is a difficult question... please answer :)

Hello.

Please contact logistics@geeksphone.com

Thank you..... ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on February 16, 2014, 12:38:33 AM
Hello.

Please contact logistics@geeksphone.com

Thank you..... ;)

done. I guess I won't have any answers before monday :(
That means that I'm a specific case? Otherwise, you could have explain to all remaining pre-orderers without phone here why they won't receive it as it was schedule...

Anyway, thank you for your answer. I know I'm not very pleasant with you GP, but after these 6 months of wait, maybe you can understand my anger...
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Vincenzo on February 16, 2014, 12:48:14 AM
You are not a specific case. And my order number is after yours.
#003627

I have sent a mail to know what is going on, too.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ochorocho on February 16, 2014, 03:00:04 AM
Hey....

my order number is #003125.... already marked as shipped since tuesday.
Really hope my order is in the first batch.

Cheers,
ochorocho
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on February 16, 2014, 07:54:58 AM
I also wrote an email to the logistics team because I have not received an email yet - I am very disappointed about the whole situation :-(

I have order number 3583.

is there anybody who has the phone already???
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: cfenzo on February 16, 2014, 03:17:44 PM
My order page still says "Cambiado por REVOLUTION", and my order number is 3225.. I guess they didn't manage to ship em all on friday.. Or they ran out of phones?
Would be nice with a status update from the company...
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: nishkarr on February 17, 2014, 12:08:39 AM
Sigh.. another week of waiting.  :(
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on February 17, 2014, 12:25:07 AM
Sigh.. another week of waiting.  :(

I hope you're wrong...  :-[

I'm fed up!
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: ochorocho on February 17, 2014, 12:33:54 AM
Thanks GP.... This will end up in another week of waiting!

Please correct the order state! ... this is annoying ....
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: luis.cuervo on February 17, 2014, 12:50:51 AM
I'm not in logistics team, but i want just clarify some info.

Every one that ordered a Peak+ will receive a Revolution of the first wave of devices. All this devices are in Madrid, but logistics team need to put into a bag, print your info, contact and share this info with UPS an so on. They are not 50 people and i'm sure that they work as fast as they can.

I will not ask you for patience because all of you demostrate that already have plenty of them. I want just explain how things are.
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on February 17, 2014, 01:21:11 AM
Thanks for the information Luis.
Logistics team has busy days, good luck!
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: xinouch on February 17, 2014, 01:26:25 AM
I'm not in logistics team, but i want just clarify some info.

Every one that ordered a Peak+ will receive a Revolution of the first wave of devices. All this devices are in Madrid, but logistics team need to put into a bag, print your info, contact and share this info with UPS an so on. They are not 50 people and i'm sure that they work as fast as they can.

I will not ask you for patience because all of you demostrate that already have plenty of them. I want just explain how things are.

what you are saying is that GP has not shipped the phones on the 14th as it was planned...
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: plop on February 17, 2014, 01:27:53 AM
Bad news for the late, again, but thank you for the information and clarification
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Pavl on February 17, 2014, 02:03:35 AM
the gp logistic team answer:
 
Dear XXXX,

First of all, we would like to thank your e-mail, as well as your Revolution device pre-order. Answering your question, your device will be shipped within the next days. As soon as your order is ready to be sent, you will receive an UPS confirmation e-mail, indicating your tracking number, and different trace options of your shipment. They will process all our shipments, and will inform you punctually about its status.

Do not hesitate to contact us for further information.

Best regards.
Geeksphone User Care Team
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on February 17, 2014, 03:12:18 AM
I pre-ordered the Peak+, and i'm in batch 2?
This makes me very angry!


Dear XXXX,

First of all, we would like to thank your e-mail, as well as your Revolution device pre-order. Answering your question, your device will be shipped within the next weeks, as we started shipping from February 14th our first batch of devices to those customers who placed first their Peak+ pre-order. Unfortunately, your order will be shipped within the second batch of devices, which will be shortly received.

However, As soon as your order is ready to be sent, you will receive an UPS confirmation e-mail, indicating your tracking number, and different trace options of your shipment. They will process all our shipments, and will inform you punctually about its status.

Do not hesitate to contact us for further information.

Sorry for any inconveniences.

Best regards.

Geeksphone User Care Team
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: plop on February 17, 2014, 03:18:02 AM
I pre-ordered the Peak+, and i'm in batch 2?
This makes me very angry!

Same thing, i've made my order the 08/2/2013, maybe i'll got a phone this year ::)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on February 17, 2014, 03:21:08 AM
I'm not in logistics team, but i want just clarify some info.

Every one that ordered a Peak+ will receive a Revolution of the first wave of devices. All this devices are in Madrid, but logistics team need to put into a bag, print your info, contact and share this info with UPS an so on. They are not 50 people and i'm sure that they work as fast as they can.

I will not ask you for patience because all of you demostrate that already have plenty of them. I want just explain how things are.

Can you explain why some receive the message that not all receive the Revolution in the first batch? (also Peak+ pre orders)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: biodiv on February 17, 2014, 03:41:32 AM
For me, the biggest disappointment is that I cannot (pre)-order a revolution. I think those who preordered a peak+ can be very happy to receive their phone within the next 2 weeks or so. I don't know how long I have to wait... It is obvious Geeksphone does not have enough workers to handle things fast (FFOS updates take long, making packages ready for shipping is done by one single person).
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on February 17, 2014, 03:46:02 AM
I also don't know when i can touch my Revolution.
always: mañana mañana mañana ;)
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Bada3.0 on February 17, 2014, 04:38:21 AM
I pre-ordered the Peak+, and i'm in batch 2?
This makes me very angry!

Same thing, i've made my order the 08/2/2013, maybe i'll got a phone this year ::)

Same with me here, second batch is terrible  >:(

the sentence "shipping in the next weeks" makes me really angry :'(  >:(  >:( - so it will be april when i receive my phone  :'(
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: w3news on February 17, 2014, 04:40:05 AM
Dear XXXX,

We totally understand your disappointment, however, we were affected by the Chinese New Year which could have delayed some more time the deliveries. Nevertheless, we could work hard to receive a first batch of devices that will be completed within the next weeks, when a massive batch will be received, delivering them immediately. We expect to deliver all orders from those customers affected by the cancellation of the Peak+ project by the end of this month.

We are totally aware that you have waited enough, but we would like to be completely honest with you, and clarify the big amounts of troubles suffered, that caused this bad impression to our customers, who never deserved it.

Do not hesitate to contact us for further information.

Once again, sorry for all inconveniences.

Best regards.

Geeksphone User Care Team
Title: Re:We launch the REVOLUTION
Post by: Rodrigo (gp) on February 17, 2014, 05:21:07 AM
Please, for Revolution shipment use Online Shop Board or support@geeksphone.com

Thank you.